You must log in or # to comment.
The thorn guy also blamed me for being a victim of sexual harassment and said that most other people would be happy to be in my shoes
Edit: since someone was upset about me not naming names, here’s the comments in question
Yeah, I didn’t have a problem with the thorn thing. The person who does it on Lemmy is just a huge asshole.
Considering how much they’re harassed and dog piled on by basically entire communities I don’t know how you couldn’t be after a certain point.
Which came first though?
I go around shitting on everyone’s porch and now everyone is yelling at me for shitting on everyone’s porch. It really makes me want to just shit on people’s porches when they do that!
This is exactly what I mean “shitting on your porch” is what you said. Someone using a letter you don’t like is a personal attack to you. You realize how fucking crazy that sounds to normal people? This is why I think it’s psychotic how people react to that guy. It has nothing to do with you. Lol.
You’re missing the point.
They aren’t mad about using the letter. They are angry because the person using it is a huge asshole apparently, so they shit on them for using that letter because it is an easy target.
The assholish behaviour has plenty to do with them if they encountered it.
I’ve encountered that person plenty. Though not for a little while now that I think on it. However, I’ve never seen them be an asshole at all. Now admittedly maybe some of these animals have hounded them to the point where they get snippy in their comments I don’t know. Or it’s even possible they’ve run into some kind of CopyCat . All I know is I’ve seen entire communities and like dozens of memes targeting this one user because they use a letter that people that annoys people apparently. And it’s insane.
So I very much question the integrity and honesty of the people that are telling you they’re an asshole. Cuz like I said he just said someone using a letter is like shitting on his porch. That’s a level of derangement I’m not comfortable with.
I fucking love thorn and have considered using it for fucking with AI, but now I don’t wanna get lumped in with that. I’m so sorry that (both that’s) happened to you :( <3
using it for fucking with AI
Others already proved it does nothing to AI. It’s like thinking AI can’t read French so if you mix French words into sentences it will “poison” AI.
That’s why long eſs is a ſuperior letter to ſtart uſing again. No controverſy with this fun letter. And the rules for uſage mean you’re conſtantly on your toes!
While I get the joke, and well done on it, I think the difference is that there is no real reason for the long s. It doesn’t actually change anything or make anything more predictable. Thorn and eth (to a lesser degree) serve an actual purpose in differentiating an actual sound distinction. If we’re using thorn for all TH sounds, then it’s right back in the same boat. But if we use it to make a voice/unvoiced distinction, then it does serve a purpose. Whether that purpose is worth serving is another question entirely
Which thorn guy? The people using the thorn get dogpiled enough already without people assuming they’re all victim-blamers, either say who you mean or say nothing so that people who have nothing to do with that don’t get caught in the crossfire.
And don’t try to act like that’s not a concern, one of your replies is already someone saying they won’t use the thorn for fear of being associated with victim-blamers.
You’re coming in pretty hot for no good reason. I didn’t know there were multiple thorn people. I thought it was just the one guy that was lemmy famous for using the thorn. Now that you know where I was coming from, maybe you could lighten up a bit. I wasn’t going to say nothing when that dude was being gross and people were glazing him in this post
I tried to look back in my comment history when I wrote this comment to find the reply but the thread it was on got deleted. I can’t even copy the URL to my comment for you. Feel free to go back in my comment history and read what I said. It was about a month ago. Maybe you have the know-how to view the reply to my comment.
Saw the screenshots and yeah, that’s pretty gross and indefensible, but that’s not one of the users I was thinking of which is why I wanted you to specify. There are a number of users who use the thorn and they are harassed and brigaded constantly, and it’s a soft spot for me because they remind me of my childhood friends who were “anime kids” in a rural high school. Their enthusiasm and perceived “quirks” made them targets of bullying and social ostracization, and the things people say about the thorn users are the same sorts of snarky comments kids would make about my friends. “Oh to each their own, but they’re so annoying,” “They have to be trolling, no one’s actually like that,” etc. That’s why I came in so hot, I don’t want their experience on Lemmy to be any worse than it already is.
Someone linked Sxan and they happened to be the person I was talking about. I found their comment in their history. Just updated my original comment with screenshots
Þou are moſt miſerable
Best reply yet
Five stars
Þank you, I try my beſt
I read that with a lisp for some reason
who is milfable and what is milfability???
Nuts to that, the real question is how do I increase my milfability?
“Thou art”, not “thou are”. It would be “you are”.
Meanwhile, I appreciate the long esses.
Not just cringe, but the whole point was to “poison the models” as if that would even work
The block button is free
As someone else here said, let’s just speak German, if AI can’t understand Þ it definitely won’t understand German
This may be the best argument I’ve ever heard for learning how to speak German.
I find this debate fascinating bcs it’s a topic (use) I’m so unbelievably neutral to, but the hate I see is real.
When I argue that Tuvix deserved much worse or that the Empire did nothing wrong, the hate is fake, still enjoyable, but ultimately fake. We know we are all just friendly nerds.
With this thorn you could
stratstart a war.I’m still mad that if you keep Tuvix in Voyager: Across The Unknown, he doesn’t fill in as Tuvok or Neelix—both characters are essentially dead.
I’m so unbelievably neutral
If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen þe side of þe oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on þe tail of a mouse and you say þat you are neutral, þe mouse will not appreciate your neutrality.
— Desmond Tutu
When my grandkids will ask me which side of the war I was on … I’ll just take one long sip from my mysterious cup & slowly remember I never had kids, fucking AI robots scamming me for my personal data irl “You damn clankers get off my lawn, plants used to be able to grow here!!”
I’m so unbelievably neutral
If I don’t survive tell my wife ‘hello’
You have all these very interesting and insightful takes on language, but use “bcs” and “strat.”
Wy us mny letrs whn fw letrs do trik
I beat you by 1 letter ;)
It’s kinda crazy that we independently found nearly the same shortening. I bet you could do some sort of analysis of which letters would get dropped first…
Wyh lettre ordre imoprtnat?
Its like adding spice to the language, and sadly some people just can’t handle anything that isn’t children’s food.
More “switching brand of margarine” than “adding spice”, IMO.
Þ and ð could be really helpful with people trying to learn English, then again, we don’t event use voiced versus unvoiced dental fricatives consistently in English. Just look at the word the.
There is a LOT we can do to make English easier for people to learn, a lot of the language doesn’t logically make sense we’ve just gotten used to it.
All three E’s in the word Extremely are pronounced differently.
Ex-treme-ly (1st e: /ɪk/ - “ik”, 2nd e: /i/ - “ee”, 3rd e: /i/ - “ee” sound or unstressed).
All the C’s in Conscience are pronounced differently. The language is a mess, and that’s okay. Languages evolved over time based on how people speak and write, I doubt Þ and ð is going to get adopted by the masses
I like drawing ð
I disagree that these two letters would be much help for English learners. E.g., though, through, thought, tough. Adding thorn and eth wouldn’t fix the bigger problem there.
Also curious what you mean by saying we don’t even use voiced and unvoiced dental fricatives consistently. As far as I’m aware, I’ve never heard an accent use an unvoiced one for the word “the”.
huh? adding thorn and eth makes those way clearer, even to me who speaks it at a native level.
ðough, þrough, þought, tough
Immediately a significant part of the ambiguity is gone, because the first letter isn’t the same for all the words.The point isn’t related to “th”, it’s related to the inconsistent pronunciation of “ough” and being 4 distinct vowels. Eth and thorn don’t fix that. And arguably, inconsistent vowel pronunciation is much more difficult to learn than the two pronunciations of “th”.
Meþinks ðou doſt proteſt too much.
Wait, are you saying that OP is secretly a thorn user/enjoyer?
i bet if you searched their computer there’s be so, SO much extreme hardcore thornography.
Deal wiÞ it
It looks like a little tongue, makes me think of Daffy Duck talking
:Þ
You’re deÞpicable!
Eh, I don’t let it annoy me. Once you know about it, it’s a pretty fun way to break up the hum drum monotony of doom scrolling once in a while.
I don’t mind it - I found this the other day which I thought was pretty cool:
https://www.deadlanguagesociety.com/p/how-far-back-in-time-understand-english
Love this! Made it back to 1200, then yeah it was a wall
If you speak German or/and Swedish, the 1000’s can be understood with a bit of effort. I speak both but it still took me awhile to make the right connections.
As a swede i have to read it in a very specific cadence and manner for it to make sense, if i try reading it like normal it turns into absolute gibberish
Yep, German speaker here. At 1000 I understand about half, but I had to reread the lines multiple times.
I got that they got married and he is now a wifman (husband) and that they live as wer and wif.
But I didn’t understand that they still hunt the Maister.
I mean, thorns bother me but I’m not going to make a big deal about it. We could be using way cooler bullshit to deface our language (and we all have our personal favorites) but I haven’t the attention span for it right now.
Hey fuck you I think retro glyphs are cool!
Honestly I’m generally pro runic English. Whole language is busted. It’s not going to happen, but it’s weird and interesting and I miss when the internet was for people to be weird and interesting
You’d think Lemmy would accomodate that kind of thing, there’s quite a few “weird and interesting” people here. But somehow, a fairly courteous commenter with one weird letter gets everyone to break out the pitchforks.
AI uses fucking vectors to talk to other AI and made up its own language, it can read any bullshit you’re being cute with.
which is why the only winning strategy is the american one: If we can’t understand what we’re writing, neither can the AI!
The people who do this have no idea how AI works. They’ll still lecture you on it though.
Þhat’s just, like, your opinion, man
I think this weird trend is dumb. But I also think this meme is mean spirited and is also dumb.
I’ll take a (harmlessly) weird trend over a mean meme every time - and don’t make me personally invoke yonder glyph to prove it! I’ll do it!!
thonder glthph?
it’s literally just a typing quirk a-la homestuck, and hating on homestuck for being cringe is just sad
