I’m seeing a bunch of posts insinuating that this most recent assassination attempt was fake. Why do people think this? I’m out of the loop.
Someone I know (who believes the previous one could have been staged) has suggested the opposite. They argue that, in the previous attempt, Trump raises his fist and isn’t very scared, while in the most recent attempt, he looks quite scared and even trips.
I think there’s not enough evidence to say that the previous attempt was staged (but there’s a small chance it could have been), and it is very unlikely that this one is staged.
It’s a lack of trust in institutions on full display. Rather it was faked or not doesn’t matter, no one would put it past the antics of this administration and no one trusts the narrative or the investigators. It doesn’t matter who comes out or what they say. Once the trust is broken we’re cooked and every event will turn into conspiracy time.
There are a few videos out there that break down the… let’s say questionable or highly suspicious series of coincidences that trail behind the shooting, as well as the kneejerk reaction from the right in response that raises some eyebrows, so I would say just go watch those. People are really latching onto flimsy evidence for this one. I haven’t seen anything really convincing yet that would suggest that the government orchestrated a false flag attack, and I feel like this administration is too incompetent to be able to handle a covert operation of that nature without fumbling it badly.
I like to lean on the side of Occam’s Razor and say that it’s pretty likely that in a country with hundreds of millions of people and hundreds of millions of guns and a very publicly hated president, it’s not that surprising that a few of those people have tried to kill him and got close enough to try. As far as security goes, yes it was a much lower security detail but the shooter was also apprehended at basically the first possible security checkpoint and Trump and the dinner guests were never in any danger. The security worked exactly as it should have.
“feel like this administration is too incompetent to be able to handle a covert operation of that nature without fumbling it badly”
I respect your opinion & respectfully disagree. My views on top tier hierarchic secrecy changed after learning about the Lewis Powell memo while listening to The Lever’s Master Plan podcast & simultaneously reading Gareth Gore’s Opus.
Yes, the people in front of the cameras are bumbling, sometimes alcoholic, idjits, however it’s the very wealthy people we don’t see or know of that really scare me.
My views on top tier hierarchic secrecy changed after learning about the Lewis Powell memo while listening to The Lever’s Master Plan podcast & simultaneously reading Gareth Gore’s Opus.
Is this supposed to mean anything?
Once there was a land where regular people lived.
• Regular people went to school. • Regular people went to work. • Regular people listened to news. • Regular people followed rules. • Regular people did not get to choose most of the rules.
In the same land, there were Say-What-Happens people.
Say-What-Happens people were people who said what happens and regular people had to follow what the Say-What-Happens people said.
• Some Say-What-Happens people helped choose money rules. • Some Say-What-Happens people helped choose school rules. • Some Say-What-Happens people helped choose court rules. • Some Say-What-Happens people helped choose news stories. • Some Say-What-Happens people helped choose government rules.
For a long time, the thought was:
• Some Say-What-Happens people were unfair. • Some Say-What-Happens people helped themselves. • Some Say-What-Happens people did not help regular people.
Then one day, a real paper note appeared in the tale.
The paper note was written by Lewis Powell.
Lewis Powell was a real Say-What-Happens person.
Some Say-What-Happens people listened to Lewis Powell.
• The paper note was not a note for regular people. • The paper note was for business Say-What-Happens people.
Business Say-What-Happens people were company people who helped say what happened in company life.
• The paper note told business Say-What-Happens people to help other business Say-What-Happens people. • The paper note told business Say-What-Happens people to work together. • The paper note told business Say-What-Happens people to use schools. • The paper note told business Say-What-Happens people to use courts. • The paper note told business Say-What-Happens people to use news. • The paper note told business Say-What-Happens people to use government. • The paper note told business Say-What-Happens people to keep getting to say what happens.
Learning about the Lewis Powell paper note changed the thought.
The thought had been:
Some Say-What-Happens people are unfair.
Now the thought became:
Some Say-What-Happens people tell other Say-What-Happens people how to stay in charge.
Stay in charge means keep getting to say what happens.
Then came a voice story called Master Plan.
Master Plan was a story heard with ears.
• The Master Plan voice story talked about money. • The Master Plan voice story talked about rules. • The Master Plan voice story talked about government. • The Master Plan voice story said some Say-What-Happens people helped other Say-What-Happens people stay in charge.
Learning about the Master Plan voice story changed the thought again.
Now the thought became:
• Some Say-What-Happens people were not acting alone. • Some Say-What-Happens people help other Say-What-Happens people stay in charge.
Then a book came into the tale.
The book was called Opus.
Gareth Gore wrote the Opus book.
The Opus book talked about Opus Dei.
Opus Dei is a real church group.
• The Opus book said some Opus Dei people used money. • The Opus book said some Opus Dei people had Say-What-Happens friends. • The Opus book said some Opus Dei people used hidden helping.
Hidden means not shown.
Hidden helping means helping happens, but regular people do not see the helping.
Learning about the Opus book changed the thought again.
The thought was no longer only:
Some Say-What-Happens people are unfair.
The thought became:
• Some Say-What-Happens people helped other Say-What-Happens people stay in charge. •Some Say-What-Happens people hid the helping. •Some Say-What-Happens people kept doing the helping for a long, long time.
That was the change.
The world had looked like unfair choices.
Then the world looked like some Say-What-Happens people were helping other Say-What-Happens people stay in charge.
• The Lewis Powell paper note showed one part. • The Master Plan voice story showed another part. • The Opus book showed another part.
The three parts made one new thought in three parts:
• Some Say-What-Happens people stayed in charge by helping each other. • Some Say-What-Happens people hid the helping. • Even though regular people may not see the helping, Say-What-Happens people helping other Say-What-Happens people can still change regular people’s lives.
That is why the thought changed.
If you can’t communicate normally, providing specific information rather than parables and circumlocution, I don’t see why anyone should take you seriously.
Garoulness isn’t necessarily circumlocution.
*Garrulousness
Does this help?
• Lewis Powell wrote that business people should help business people keep power. • Master Plan showed business people using money to help people keep power in government. • Opus showed church people using money, secrets, and powerful friends to help people keep power.
Together they show:
• Powerful people can help powerful people keep power. • Regular people usually do not see them helping each other.
Because regular people are usually not aware that powerful people secretly help each other, the powerful people are able to continue to make decisions that affect the regular people in ways that help the powerful people stay powerful.
- It came on the heels of a court case that said Trump could only build his ballroom if there was a legitimate security concern (and all the right wing media had posts ready for ballroom support)
- He (Trump) had never attended before now
- The response from the SS seemed… lacklustre at best.
- Karoline Leavitt said that everyone should watch because there would be shots fired.
- He (the shooter) was entirely ineffectual.
- Right wing women are so botox’ed that no one could see them being upset; right wing men were standing behind their wives.
Personally… fake is not exactly the answer, but it’s oh so convenient, and given that people were sending in tips about him before this, I suspect that if they hadn’t wanted this to happen, they’d have done security normally and he’d have been removed from the premises before he shot. But maybe I’m just underestimating how bad the US government’s security has become since they fired so many people.
Also Karoline Leavitt’s husband gave a weird warning to a female journalist before the dinner started, as if he knew that something was going to happen.
I think it’s because there was a series of coincidences and it’s easy to believe.
Trump DID attend a previous dinner and was roasted but he wasn’t president at the time. But he is well known for attacking anyone that doesn’t praise him openly. So he hasn’t traditionally attended because it hurts his little ego. It seems very suspect that the one time he does, he manages to avoid it after all.
Certain members of his staff, seemed to know the name of the attacker with ridiculous speed or even beforehand. (I have not seen time stamps on those).
Certain members of the press remarked on the unusually sparse security. Some even reportedly left because they felt uneasy.
A Fox News reporter seemed to be explaining how the husband of Caroline Leavitt was telling her in advance that she needed to “stay safe” when her audio suddenly and suspiciously cut out. I did listen to that.
The administration pretty quickly spun this as a reason to build TACO’s ballroom. Therefore he would benefit from it.
It’s easy to jump to this conclusion of these items are true. Personally I doubt it, but when I first heard about it, my first thought was, “How convenient.” Let’s say if actual proof surfaced I wouldn’t be surprised.
Because this was Trump’s reaction to the gunshots.
He knew. Melenomia didn’t.
Also, here you can see Trump hiding behind a curtain, reveling in his kayfabe.
He would have been removed from the area by the Secret Service if there was an actual threat.
if she can make a face from all that botox, she is definitely surprised.
he didn’t know shit. he’s senile
if he knew something, don’t you think he’d pretend?
what the hell is in your head
Yeah that idiot couldn’t even stop himself from saying they rigged the last elections but somehow he’s now part of a fake assassination attempt?
LOL, tell me you don’t understand malignant narcissism without telling me you don’t understand malignant narcissism.
that makes no sense
That’s just his I’m pooping right now face
I don’t think it was fake.
I think they knew it (or something dramatic) was going to happen with plenty of warning and deliberately allowed it to play out for dramatic effect. That was unenthusiastic and unhurried securing of the leadership.
It’s my belief that 9/11 was like that too. I don’t think the US government orchestrated it, but I think they sat back and let it happen.
Anyone who thinks Cheney and friends were above letting a few thousand people die to garner support for another war in the middle east is pretty naive.
They did know there was a threat. That is completely true.
Problem is there were lots of threats.
They couldn’t separate the real threat from the noise.
No, it wasn’t deliberate, but it was a failure of the intelligence community.
I think this is more likely than it being full on staged
I suspect the guy in question was identified as somebody who might try something stupid, not competent enough to pull it off, and possibly encouraged to try by an undercover agent.
Yeah like those “terrorists” that undercover agents encourage in online forums to do radical things, then those agents “bust” them with a random assortment of pipe bombs or something.
My reason is that he read from a prepared statement shortly after the incident and that he used this as his reason to promote the unwanted ballroom that he seems so desperately to want. I could be wrong but, based on his moral character, I think it’s a big fake.
And to take more rights from people and impose even more surveillance and dystopian social social hierarchy.
The actual reason, which no one seems willing to admit, is because it’s an easier narrative to weaponise against Trump and MAGA. “Yes we are really trying to kill your hero but keep failing” is kind of hard to use in an internet flame war, but “you guys know he’s just using this to distract from the Epstein files, right?” is a hook that can work on some Trump supporters, who are often very conspiratorial themselves and quite obsessed with the release of the Epstein stuff. In addition, there’s this sort of cognitive dissonance going on here for many people who believe they are on the side of the moral and just, but also condemn violence (including political violence). They can’t accept that people from “their side” might actually be trying to commit murder, so instead they look for explanations that can flip it back to the black and white narrative of “we are the good guys and they are the bad guys”.
The same thing happened with the Brian Thompson and Charlie Kirk murders. Some people cannot cope with the reality that not everyone on “their side” lines up perfectly with their values, so instead they create and believe in a conspiracy theory that frames them as victims of a right-wing plot to damage their public reputation and imprison their members.
That 3 people in the US, a nation with a long history of extreme gun violence and political assassinations, may have attempted to assassinate the most divisive and dangerous president in the nation’s history during a period of extremely toxic and violent political discourse is actually a very rational and logical explanation for the three attempted shootings. Unless your entire identity is bound to this stuff and you simply can’t accept the above premise, there is really no reason to go looking for alternative conspiracies to explain what is happening.
Yeah, this seems to be the right explanation. I thought that since so many people seemed to be buying into this that there might be some evidence of something suspicious going on, but so far I’ve read through most of these comments and I’ve they are all pretty underwhelming. There doesn’t seem to be any strong evidence of foul play here.
For example a lot of people are going on about how his press secretary said there would be “shots fired” beforehand. But when you actually look at it in context it’s clear that she was just saying that as a figure of speech, saying that Trump was gonna land some zingers. But most people leave this context out of it.
Then only thing I’ve seen that is mildly suspicious is that some reporter on Fox News said she was told to “be safe” or something then her phone connection was lost. But even that is pretty underwhelming. Like, I tell people to be safe even if they are just going out after dark or something. It’s not that weird of a thing to say. And phone lines do get disconnected while people are on the air, you hear it happen all the time on the radio for example.
Most conspiracy theories have some grain of truth or believable aspect to them, that’s part of the reason why people can latch on to them. Trump has a long history of fabricating stories and feeding them to the media to manipulate his public image. However, even if people think it’s a credible explanation here, they are overlooking how much more credible the simple explanation is.
America poltics love a good assassination. Its basically a stable of our history at this point.
it is designed to satiate the magat-y voters. everyone else, both outside and inside that are not conservative already see through his bs.
I don’t know all the details, but something that struck me as odd was the fact that this was the first WHC dinner that Trump was going to, famously being too cowardly to go to the others for fear of being mocked. Why go to this one, when his approval rating is in the toilet?
This is the second WHC dinner during his second term. Last year they purposefully didn’t invite any entertainer and made no jokes about the administration to appease Trump. They showed they are ready to bow down and sacrifice freedom of speech so Trump showed up this year to express his approval.
Well it was also the first one where Grindr promoted it.
You’re thinking about it backwards. It’s the first one the assassin tried to rush into because Trump was going to be there.
He’s asking why Trump decided to go
he apparently hasnt gone to one once since 2011, when OBAMA roasted him.
I found it odd that immediately after, “I NEED A BALLROOM!”
Because there wasn’t going to be a roast. Mentalist and magician Oz Pearlman was going to host, instead.
And because, by staging a shooter, he is going to get public funding for his ballsack I mean ballroom.
Seems like a ballthimble would do.
Because we’ve been trained by the republicans to prepare for a distraction when the current news is bad.
All of the republican news is really bad right now. They’ve flip-flopped on wars with various countries and the Epstein files a few times already. Even thrown out some UFO stuff. Nothing is working though because gas prices are high and there’s no easy and clean way out of the quagmire the GOP is currently in.
It saddens me so much to know that the president can rape children, and get away with it. On top of that, the only reason people aren’t distracted from it is the fact that gas prices are still high. If gas were cheap, there is a good chance 48% of Americans would be distracted.
plus the tariffs that the MSM stopped reporting is hurting businesses alot.
speculating, it happened 2 other times with the same exact pattern. and almost no followup, also its always at a critical time when epstein files are being released, and plus the iran war, its going so badly that they arnt even showing the damage to US bases in the middle east.
also its almost always a right wing rando, hmm no LEFTIST so they can pin on them, thats why they dont blast this over the news 24/7, because right wingers are the mass shooters 100% of the time.
not only that the suspicious activity both before and during the shooting. like karoline leavitt foreshadowing a shooting hours before. the general non-chalant reaction by trump.
also its almost always a right wing rando
Wouldn’t the idea of the attempted assasins being right wing speak against the idea of staging the assassination attempts? Half of Trump’s entire appeal and platform is victimhood so surely if you’re going to pretend someone tried to kill you, you’d pretend it was someone from the opposing side to your own politics to extract as much political capital from the incident as possible.
Is that not what the right-wing media does?
Trump’s whole term in office has been difficult to follow. What’s going on now? What’s the truth and what isn’t? Politicians lie, but trump is the best at misinformation.
The thing is that we don’t know, but because of the environment his administration has created, you have to doubt everything he says and be skeptical of every event they’re involved in.
The conspiratorial culture of the far right is infecting every aspect of his administration. At this point it doesn’t really matter what’s true and what’s fabricated, so long as it can be spun into a media event to feed his ego.
I need to take a break from the Internet.
“I’m seeing a bunch of posts insinuating” - I think we’re well past insinuating. Straight out declaring would be more accurate now. The man has no credibility left. No one trusts him with the truth, their money or their daughters. If I was a betting man I’d say his foreign handlers are already lining up the next candidate for the world stage. You can also tell, by the way, that none of the big media channels are buying it either. All you need to do is compare their coverage now with at the coverage of the assassination attempts of previous presidents. When Reagan got shot the whole world stopped to look. It was literally everywhere. This, so called, “attempt” was a small front page story that will be gone in a couple of days. The mid terms are coming. I expect more and more panicked moves between now and November.
I agree he has no credibility. But is there any other reason besides that to think it was faked?
Just a bunch of suspicious actions lining up. obviously no one has come out and said “We are planning a false flag operation to fake an attempt on trumps life”
But you have right wing reporters being cut off mid sentence on right wing news programs when talking about the weird heads up they were given before it happened…
and when you have attendees discussing how weirdly light the security was compared to previous years when trump didnt attend (You’d think the president attending would have heavier security, not lighter than ever)
and a source in the white house leaking that it was planning a big mic drop event for the dinner about a week before hand
and you have trump, a known coward, who typically panics and looks for cover, sitting there smirking while its happening (No flag to drop down from a crane to make a big posed picture for this time, sadly)
and the inevitable question is… what would he gain from it if it is true? And the answer is, a lot… especially when you consider what he faces after the midterms… which is impeachment and possible 25th amendment invocation… not to mention the rest…
Like His poll numbers are at historic lows. His cult is disintegrating around him, he failed in his attempt to rig the midterm elections with the SAVE act not getting passed, and as a whole popular opinion is turning against him and the republicans, to the point that even Republicans are expecting major across the board losses come the midterms.
What better way to try to reclaim some of his popularity, his polling, and his cult, and try to rally republican voters for the midterms than with another assassination attempt? Especially since the last big one (the one that supposedly shot him in the ear, that was magically healed with no scars/trauma/etc a week and a half later) did so much to boost his polling and popularity.
like I said in the very first sentence, no ones gonna come out and straight up admit that this is what factually happened, but a skeptical look at the facts at hand, and what we know about Trump and his personality… It seems like a plausible scenario to assemble from the pieces we have.
But you have right wing reporters being cut off mid sentence on right wing news programs when talking about the weird heads up they were given before it happened…
and when you have attendees discussing how weirdly light the security was compared to previous years when trump didnt attend (You’d think the president attending would have heavier security, not lighter than ever)
Where can I find more info on this stuff in particular?
https://lemmy.world/post/46078842/23420614
I compiled some links on that post.
Thank you
No prob man, and my links arent the only ones that exist. Try to find some on your own after lookin at them. Its good to get several perspectives.
The thing is people aren’t looking for reasons to believe it was faked, that’s the default with trump now. The question is what makes anyone think it’s real? He’s the one who coined fake news so can’t really blame anyone for not believing the “news” 😅
I’m not sure if this has been pointed out yet, but there was a leak a few days ago that said Trump was staging a fake PR blow up at the event. Like he’d discussed with his team that he was going to go on an unhinged rant and storm off like it was everyone else’s fault, because somehow he thinks that that makes him look like the adult in the room.
At the time I read speculation that this had been leaked by his own team in order to prevent it from happening, because it’s obviously such a stupid idea to everyone but him.
He skipped every other White House correspondents’ dinner, and he was only going to attend this one in order to stage a fake PR moment.
Obviously that’s not proof, but add it to the pile of circumstantial evidence.
He faked the last one
Trump was seen as having an electoral boost after the Pennsylvania shooting.
Trump is in a deep hole with the electorate over the Epstein files, the economy, the Iran war, and support of the genocidal Israeli regime
Trump has used very blatant & underhanded tactics in the past, from the 2020 electoral certification Coup attempt, and the recent doordash PR stunt.
There will always be some amount of people who will not accept things at face value, but with Trump, experience has shown that waiting for evidence before believing what the administration is saying is a wise move.
TL;DR: a lot of sketchy crap happens in this administration and people think anything that might turn out well for Trump’s voter polls is manufactured
The door dash thing was so tone deaf. Like, oh I hear your husband has cancer. Well, the good thing is, there is a job opening for you to help pay for it! You can doordash yourself to the bed next to him! He
the PR stunts, yes the assasinations are this to. its to assure thier magat supporters that he still is in control of things, they are too dumb to realize hes always staging things.
