Yes, no surprise: this is what scientists have said for years now. Lets use some more AI, order some more stuff we don’t need and travel to the other side of the world every holiday 😁 and and for gods sake, don’t vote on the lunes in the green parties that want stop this!
“It’s not real until I notice it” is, unfortunately, a feature of human psychology. The good news is that the evidence is undeniable now and more and more people are waking up to the fact that our way of living is unsustainable. There’s still hope we can rise up and rein this in before complete collapse.
This might actually be part of our ability to think abstractly. Apparently prior generations (circa 1900) had a more difficult time with abstract ideas. I wonder if this apparent selfishness is more of a lack of capability
Dont forget big oil has spent an ungodly amount of money on keeping the general populace skeptical of reality. Punishment for that is long over due and I have no hope it ever will.
It clicks anew for people every single day, my brothers and sisters
Still not gonna do anything about it.
Obviously. Global warming is already uncomfortable, let’s not add to that.
Yeah. Just build better air conditioners.
Well, I maybe have good news for this person… AMOC collapse is an anticipated effect of global warming and it would paradoxically make it much, much colder in Ireland. As in “Ice Age” colder.
Live in the waste heat from a nuclear power plant?
When?
The problem with climate change models:
Climate science is science. It works on what’s tested confirmed and very known. It is a method for being very sure and understanding pretty deeply before you speak confidently, and revising that confidence when necessary.
What’s going on is unprecedented total destructing of an unfathomably complicated planetary scale systems from physics its difficult to model. We barely predict accurate weather a week out with computers, and that was before we scrapped all the sensors (defunded NOAA) and tasked all the super computers to making bespoke CSAM.
So there’s a lot of things we don’t think to include in the model, a lot of interactions we didn’t even know were happening or how they would fuck up, and a lot of runaway feedback loops we didn’t gave data to model. And a scientist with integrity can only add what they know is there. They can’t add an allowance for ‘shit we didn’t think of, and we never think of everything’ even though they reliably do not think of everything, because we’re constantly surprised by things we couldn’t model or didn’t think of previously. The amount of co2 released when permafrost thaws was not included in older models, and if it had been we couldn’t have known how much there would be before it started.
So the models, even the pessimistic models, will never be as grim as reality. They can’t be. They’re based on what we already know for sure, and cwe are looking at a flock of black swans’ is not something one can model with scientific integrity. The disaster is moving too fast, with over a century’s momentum.
This is an immediate existential threat, and if you do not exercise all violence your conscience permits against the people most responsible concluding every billionaire, extraction exec, congressman, right wing politician (jimbob down the street who rolls coal and works on an oil rig doesn’t move the needle. Fuck him, but he won’t move the needle. dont take his murder from the kids he’s raping)
Jfc,all those acronyms,i though csam was some kind of weather related phenomenon…
We live in the anthropocene, and live in society whose purpose is, near as I can tell; the abuse of children.
So in a way it is.
That’s the trillion-Euro question, and the answer so far is “between 15 years and never,” but some researchers have said they are seeing early signs of the current weakening. It’s a controversial topic in climate research, but it’s one of lose “low probability, high impact” events that can’t be safely ignored.
I’m convinced it’s “when, not if” given our collective inaction
Two days before the day after tmrw.
Take a scientist’s estimate and watch as a select few in power with no self-preservation instinct divide that number in half.
It does not conclude it would make it much, much colder. It concludes the collapse would reduce the addition of heat from AMOC to the area but does not seem to include heat addition from anything else, like global warming itself. AMOC collapse may just offset heating from elsewhere. It is not confidently known what will happen. But we’ll likely get to find out first hand.
That’s pretty pedantic. If AMOC stops supplying heat, of course Western Europe will get colder. We don’t know exactly by how much or what other effects are in play by then, but it stands to reason Western Europe will get much colder than if they still had AMOC
Would the area AMOC pumps heats from also get hotter? Given their hot water won’t be pulled to a colder location, get cooled and come back down.
I assume it’s a double whammy
In a very real sense I’d say this sort of thing belongs in Leopards Ate My Face.
There are a lot of these people who are all of a sudden “Oh, this was not just doomsaying on the part of some radical scientists, this is a real thing.” Now that they’re actually experiencing the consequences of the last 40 years of complete and total inaction, they are expressing their regret. And, I’m sorry but you all voted for this. You all actively decided to ignore the problem because it was not affecting you at the time. And you didn’t really think it would ever actually affect you. And now that it is, you’re sad about it. And a lot of these people were even mocking people like Greta Thunberg for her anger at the complete indifference to the global climate crisis we were headed towards. And, to that and them, I say fuck you! We all tried to warn you and you simply ignored us. And now we are all in the same sinking boat together. And for my money, you deserve any and all hardships that you experience due to this climate crisis.
And a lot of these people were even mocking people like Greta Thunberg for her anger at the complete indifference to the global climate crisis we were headed towards
These are the types of people who will never admit that this was wrong. Even if they eventually admit that climate change is real, they will never apologize for that behavior.
Voting will never fix this. Americans elected the green climate change president in 2000. The establishment ruled the oil-cia failson got the job.
Gore won his election and the supreme court took it away from us. You can’t blame the voters completely, at least in the USA.
And then you all shrugged and said, “this is fine”
Agree, welcome to the fucking conversation pal, too bad you had to be bitch slapped across the face before you realized it was heading right for you all this time.
I personally have been prepping, bought property in areas that will fare better, hopefully, trying to be more independent with food and focusing on community. Looking into solar to get off grid. And the biggest, not having kids because I didn’t want to doom anyone to this purposefully. The signs were all there, some of us paid attention.
But also I would be overjoyed to see people go this far in their understanding of the issue. Covid really made me lose faith in the ability of people to understand and accept the reality around them.
One of the frustrating things is people acting like they were engaging this discussion in good faith decades ago. They’ve gotten away with being extraordinarily selfish for most of their lives, and now turn around and go oops.
This had already been explained to them and they refused to listen when the whole world depended on it.
Is this guy better than someone still denying it now? Sure, whatever. We’re still allowed to be mad at them for the damage they’ve done, like a vandal who suddenly stops and apologizes.
The petrol psyops really did a number on humanity
vandalism is based tho, graffiti is the highest form of art
Whoever called it a “climate warming” should be shot in the head. Because yes, yes it is warming in general, but the choice to call it that was terrible. It’s summer, temperature is below 20C today, my neighbors are saying “where the fuck is climate warming? those idiots said it will be hot!”
It should be called climate destabilization, focusing not on hot/cold but on extreme weather.
“Global warming” is the accurate term. So that is what they called it. Science is not now nor has it ever been about branding and populism. The world is, as a whole, becoming warmer and that is leading to the complete destabilization of climate systems across the globe. But the fact is that it is incredibly hard to predict the total outcome of global warming and climate change. So making predictions becomes a very dangerous game. And I would like to add that when they saw that the phrase “global warming” was not getting enough attention they changed it to “climate change” to try to be more accurate in a way that people would understand better (see the dipshit congressman who brought a snowball on to the Congressional floor to “prove that global warming was fake”). But then that backfired too because climate change doesn’t sound quite so dangerous. So most people felt completely comfortable in totally ignoring it.
There’s also the problem of the consequences of global warming and climate change are future problems that people don’t believe they have to worry about right now. There’s a very real “fix it in the future” attitude that has become prevalent in society. And the problem with that is, of course, we can’t fix it in the future. Because once the destabilization of the global climate system starts, there is virtually nothing we can do to stop it. We may be able to mitigate some of the effects. But not the long-term destruction of the environment that we have become so accustomed to living in.
That’s why they changed it to “climate change”.
Yea but then some mouth-breather goes “the climate has always changed iver time!” while ignoring the fact that it often came with extinction events, and also happened over a much longer time than a handful of generations.
Nothing you call it will ever satisfy the people who need Climate Change to be wrong to preserve their pride.
The fact is that they are just regurgitating what they were told, so they will never take a real stance or think about it. At least the poster in the image is finally breaking out of the trance, even if it is 40 years later than he should have.
They’ve just been lied to again and again and don’t understand the science. I’ve actually managed to change a few people’s minds by pointing out 4 facts that if true mean climate change is real.
- CO2 reflects infrared energy
- CO2 gets trapped in our atmosphere
- Humans have released millions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere
- It’s getting hotter and hotter.
I generally challenge them to disprove these facts and offer to help them with sources validating them if they’d like. I think understanding the way CO2 works to reflect heat is the thing that usually convinces them, because they just don’t understand how greenhouse gasses could make it hotter.
I wish it was 20C it’s 37 here and it’s unbearable. It definitely is hot, of course it’s not hot everywhere.
It’s not inaccurate per se to say global warming because on a planetary level that is what’s happening. The planet is getting hotter. But it is going to be cool if it’s very windy or after a storm, that’s to be expected.
This is why it’s frustrating. It’s not a lie, it’s not wrong, it just fuels anti-climate-change crowd.
During last 30 days my region had:
- above 30C
- below 20C
- thunderstorms
- strong winds
But because it’s summer, the “below 20C” is the one people usually focus on. “If there is global warming, how come summers are colder?”
In fact ever since COVID my region had much colder summers…
Yeah it’s not helped by the fact that there’s no real consensus in climate science about what will happen. I’ve seen models that run from global desertification to an ice age.
That disparity is because there is more than one runaway trigger involved and which one hits first decides the way we go.
I’m not saying that a thing’s label doesn’t matter, but there are a couple important facts to keep in mind:
- A label is not enough space to fully communicate any idea.
- A person’s willingness to disagree is not rational.
If I could pretend to be a conservative, uh… pedophile for a moment, what might I say about “climate destabilization”?
- That’s not going to happen; that’s ridiculous.
- We go through seasons and extreme weather all the time—what’s “stable” about that?
- You’re some alarmist tree-hugger just trying to scare people, aren’t you?
- If destabilization is so bad, companies would never let it happen. Why would they when they need the planet too?
- “Destabilization”, brought to you by the same irrational, ruled-by-fear people who can’t handle an unloaded gun being in the same room as them—heh heh!
- What does destabilization mean, anyway? Like, one more hurricane a year? Just don’t live in Florida.
- “Oh no! The climate is destabilizing!”—meanwhile in reality, birds are chirping, nothing has changed.
- Everything “destabilizes”; man makes plans, God laughs.
- We all have ACs and heaters now anyway, so what’s the problem exactly?
All of these bullet points come from the same place: what you’re suggesting, that climate change is a problem, is both a lot of difficult effort to solve and very scary to think about. So, emotionally, they just refuse to. It’s easier to refuse to. You don’t have to live anxiously if you refuse to.
There are a large number of complicated and diverse sociological reasons why climate change isn’t taken seriously, and making the label scarier would only really be effective if it represented an across-the-board rhetorical tactic to scare the public into action. That means posters, flyers, ads on television, tv programs and movies, fiction and non-fiction, politicians who will not shut up about it, constant news about the worst-case scenarios and what people watching need to do right now to stop it, companies who pollute being depicted as evil and villainous and a threat to us right now and legally blocked from being allowed to advertise for themselves (e.g. tobacco companies).
Climate change needs strong, inciting propaganda, and for the last 50 years has had very piss-poor propaganda, mostly because money doesn’t want it to.
The only problem I see with your explanation is that it seems to boil down to defeatism:
- emotional people are more numerous than rational people
- emotional people cannot be convinced, any argument will get shot down
- politicians in any democratic society will follow majority opinion
So… why bother? It’s a fight minority cannot win and majority does not consider to be worthwhile or even real.
Also - I honestly hate the american meaning of word “conservative”. Conservative should be someone who wants the law of his country to stay as it is, not be changed. Republicans are not conservatives, they are radicals. Conservative is someone who responds to idea like for example “gay marriage” with logic “if this was legal when I was a kid, it should be legal now and in the future”.
In my country when you say “organization of pedophiles” we either think Catholics or Americans…
emotional people cannot be convinced,
I’m actually not saying this.
To be effective at convincing people, you need to get to the core of what is driving their beliefs.
A pessimist, for instance, cannot see a beautiful sunset. Not until they can learn how to see love.
It may be that their life is falling apart right now, and they feel abandoned by what were their friends, and that this isolation makes the sunset feel trivial and stupid to care about when they have real problems to solve.
It may be that they are irritated by crowds and so dislike going outside, and they reject the beautiful sunset because to accept that they cannot see it would make them grieve.
I gave us a solution for action around climate change: strong propaganda. A fight-forward message in a cultural climate that believes in its ability to win. These are things we can build, I’m just describing the nature of the problem.
Conservative should be someone who wants the law of his country to stay as it is, not be changed. Republicans are not conservatives, they are radicals.
Well, Republicans are fascists.
And, a lot of American Conservatives would think that they are exactly what you say a conservative should be. I mean, gay marriage wasn’t legal when they were kids, they think they want to regress to the society of when it was, to conserve those laws—but this is because they are stupid, dumb animals that must be corralled like sheep toward the future.
I don’t have a lot of sympathy for any politic in any country that fears change as a concept. It’s honestly anti-intellectual.
they are stupid, dumb animals that must be corralled like sheep toward the future
Hm, this is what Nazis and Communists both said about my countrymen. The idea that fearing change is anti-intellectual… hmm… anti-abortion laws are changes too, introducing mass surveillance is also a change. Not every change is as good as you imply.
Where I am, we’ve been getting pretty heavy rain during 100F/37C heat, and it’s kind of unnerving how quickly it dries up.
How to win over the masses, though? Most people know about climate change, they’ll say it’s terrible and something should be done, but aren’t ready to make any personal sacrifices to do something about it. How do we get them to give up eating meat or taking planes
By changing our economic system so that external costs are internalized.
Yeah. I hate that people think this can be fixed with a few idividual changes. We will need to change our entire way of thinking or nature will make us change.
I didn’t mean a few individual changes. A few vegetarians traveling by bicycle aren’t going to make a difference. But you can’t only change economic incentives without changing consumption patterns. We will also need to move to plant based diets, reduce tourism, save water, etcetera.
That’s where I see most resistance now. It’s not people who don’t believe in climate change, but people who acknowledge the problem until they have to sacrifice some luxury they enjoy. Then it’s always somebody else who has to change first
Not sure travel is as much as a bogeyman as people wants to make it, but we need more efficient travel (hello trains). Most people travel far once or twice a year, it’s not the bread and butter of consumption and has a legitimate positive on peoples mental
While changing to vegetarian diets has no mental related negatives, vegan diets would need a bit of large scale community wide education first - As most people don’t know you can get more protein from nuts than just about any other nutrient on this planet, but damn do they know you can eat cheeses and eggs for the same.
Honestly the solution for changing peoples diets is however quite easy, let people pay their full costs. Abolish agricultural financial support for non essentials (all animal products) and let’s see if people wants meat or the yearly travel
Water is an industrial problem, but focusing on animal related products and fast fashion would get us far
The moment you mention anything that could help you get people suddenly pretending that they give a shit about the poor.
Here is a random idea though. x10 energy fees with the first 6000kWh of electricity free (or very cheap) per year. No reductions for gas and oil. The poor were already not using much energy, if you actually care about them, this will actually reduce their energy bills.
Its hardly a new model either, phone data works the same kind of way, just monthly rather than annually.
renewable energy is the way to go. you can’t ban fossil fuels unless you offer an alternative.
Yes, but there’s a lot more that should be done. We can’t always provide climate friendly alternatives that are better
End meat subsidies. Then it’ll be too expensive.
What personal sacrifices are you making?
I stopped eating meat or flying planes completely. I have accepted that not flying limits my career opportunities. In my home, I electrified heating and cooking. I am saving for an EV but my current car is still doing fine. I hardly use my car, do my daily commute by bike. I go to protests against aviation, against fossil fuels and for the climate. I donate to climate causes. I teach my kids to consider the environment and climate in almost everything we do. I probably forget a lot of other small things, I am extremely climate conscious.
But this is just me. It’s like voting. No individual is going to make any difference here. If loads of people do the same, maybe. The real resistance is about taxes, consumption, meat eating, flying. People must be forced to do more or it will only be more expensive later
Do you have a smartphone? Do you use social media, cloud services, streaming services, A.I. services?
What an ass argument.
“Helping a starving orphan is pointles, because you are not helping every starving orphan”
You, as many others, are missing the point. It’s so easy to point fingers at everyone else and think that you are saving the environment by cutting down on meat and fossil fuels, while forgetting the invisible sinners. Most people don’t give their digital life a second thought because the environmental impact isn’t always obvious.
And all of you biting my head of for stating this is just hilarious.
You’re just wrong. First of all, I am making a lot of personal sacrifices. You can’t lob the hypocrite accusation at me, it’s laughable.
But more importantly, this isn’t about individual choices but overcoming resistance to collective action. We should all move to a plant based diet, we should all stop flying for vacation, we should all pay way more taxes to reduce climate damage, but people aren’t ready to accept that yet. They’ll say climate change is bad and should be stopped, but the minute a politician proposes anything meaningful, they’ll be out of a job.
And when you point out it’s going to be costly and people aren’t ready for that yet, some douchebag on the internet calls you a hypocrite
“this isn’t about individual choices”
Why are you doing it then?
Troll argument
What the fuck
I am willing to give all of that up, but you’re literally that “yet you participate in society” meme. This isn’t about me
What are you getting at?
I’m just saying, I know a hypocrite when I see one.
You’re on lemmy right now, do you need a mirror or is your head already so far up your own ass you can see the hypocrite from the inside?
I never proclaimed to be holier than thou.
Many people got the message, however wrong, that it was nothing to worry about for 100 years, and read things like “2.1C” and figured that wasn’t very much.
Of course, our public education system being dismantled by the billionaires hasn’t helped at all. At least, it hasn’t helped we the poors, they’re getting exactly what they wanted.
Yeah instead of global average temperatures they should have been telling about the extremes any one particular country might see.
“X Country will have 60°C summer days before 2050!” Is a lot scarier than 2.1° globally.
Becoming (at least partially) vegetarian/vegan is one of the most impactful solo actions that a person can take.
I sincerely doubt this
On the surface yes but until corporations and business are brought to heel, they will simply use up the space you made with your sacrifice. The primary entities responsible for climate change is the private sector, people seeking power and profit without regard to cost. They shift the blame to consumers who choose only from what options business already decided to provide, as if we’re at fault. We are not. Corporations and selfish, narcissistic CEOs and shareholders are the responsible parties. They’ve been told, shown the science, had it explained it to them personally by the foremost experts, watched the changes unfold, and they keep choosing to kill the planet, and if anyone tries to force them to stop, those systems are relentlessly attacked, like environmental agencies and government oversight, taxation etc.
Us as individuals are not responsible for the choices in business and politics that continue to disregard the warnings, to chase their insatiable psychological need for more power. This is all on them. Every last bit of it and when it finally reaches a point that they can’t ignore the consequences, they will force us to sacrifice so they don’t have to, even if that means we stop having children or start dying at younger and younger ages.
While it is on them, that does not mean is individually are off the hook. I’m all for holding the accountable, but at the end of the day we buy their products.
Yes I know it was a propaganda campaign, yes I know they do more. That doesn’t mean we should keep using fossil fuels because they do worse. In fact it should drive us to remove fossil fuels from out lives even more, denying them our money.
Gas furnace? Switch to a heat pump. Gas water heater? Electric or heat pump. If you can, solar on the roof. Reduce your driving and take the bus or ride a bike. Think of what would happen if even 20% of people removed their gas furnaces within the next 3 years.
So no, you aren’t off the hook for your usage.
Disagree. The government should not allow products to be sold that are detrimental to our common welfare. The corruption of politics by private companies has made that impossible. Fuck them. I’m not sacrificing to clean up their mess while they take in profits and make every effort to thwart that cleanup. They propagandize us against making sacrifices to continue coercing us to buy their shit.
Our entire culture is propaganda and coercion to serve shareholder interests. They already won on that front and I’m not spending my life struggling to find joy in the hellscape they made by making even more sacrifices while those with the most power make absolutely none. Enough is enough. They need to stop because nothing I or you can do can stop them. They created this mess, they can make all the sacrifices necessary to clean it up and if they don’t then maybe we deserve extinction.
I don’t think we’re agreeing or disagreeing, because I agree with everything you said.
However - once you realize all of that, I believe you are also culpable of your own personal contributions.
It is not an “Us or them”, it is both. I admit it’s 90% them, but there is some fraction that is ours as well, and for my house, I am very happy that (except for the waterheater), completely carbon neutral.
I won’t hold it against anyone for having a gas car when they were under the spell, but I definitely hold it against them if their next purchase is another gas guzzler, or gas stove, or gas furnace, because they are happily giving money to the oil companies.
It is not both. It’s them, full stop. Punishing the working class for not making more sacrifices on top of those their use of power has already forced on us is you further serving their interests. Stop being a class traitor and abusive toward your fellow victims. We are not the problem and not solution. They are.
If you think I’m a “class traitor” for suggesting instead of buying a gas water buying an electric then there is nothing more I can say to you. Holy fuck.
South Park mirrors this. Since its a show which acts as social commentary and pokes fun at current events, they did Al Gore dirty and made fun of him for supposedly believing in imaginary climate change (man bear pig). 10 years later, they made episodes saying he was right.
FWIW Al gore was particularly full of shit. Totally motivated by his own profits. He basically freaked people out and then offered them a way to keep doing what they were doing and just pay him to absolve them of guilt. Essentially the pope of climate change.
Carbon offsets are a scam and humanity is the victim.
The solution was never going to involve “keep doing what you’re doing”.
Absolutely, though South Park never touched on that. They never said pay me and manbearpig will go away or something of that nature. The message was clear: climate change is imaginary.
There is also a futurama episode about global warming.
Don’t shame people for how long it took them. Be grateful for the insight they now show. Shaming them online makes it scarier for people to change their world view
I think it is mainly the fact that we have been shouting this from the rooftops for years, and all we got was ridicule.
And now, suddenly, when they realise they are also fucked, we are expected to be the bigger person.
These are the same people who always had a “what about…” ready. The same people who never wanted to sacrifice anything or make hard choices. No, they needed the bigger car, the cheap flights, the endless convenience, and they laughed while others tried to go net zero.
“It is pointless anyway, because big industry are the real polluters,” they said, as if that excused doing absolutely nothing.
I do not fear what is coming for me. I fear what is coming for my children because of years of selfish, egocentric people refusing to think about what they were doing to everything around them.
So yes, I understand the point about not making it scarier for people to change their worldview. But I am not going to pretend it does not matter how much damage was done while they mocked the people who saw it coming.
But you didn’t “only get ridicule”. It’s accepted fact in wide swathes of population. You don’t even know (I don’t think?) that this person was any kind of skeptic, they’ve just adjusted how important they think it is.
I think you’re doing exactly the wrong thing here: you’re taking the worst example of anti-climate-science people and projecting it onto this example you have a single sympathetic post from.
“It’s accepted fact in wide swathes of the population” who still mostly didn’t do anything to change their behavior in response. What’s the difference between a climate change denier who refuses to reduce driving and a climate change acknowledger who refuses to reduce driving? Practically speaking, not much!
I am in the same position as OP. This summer has made me fear global warming even more than before.
That doesn’t mean I’ve done nothing. Don’t project onto other people, some people actually do make sacrifices.
I, for example, do my daily commute on public transport. Which takes me 40 minutes each way. While I could easily drive to work, which would be 15 minutes instead. That’s 50 minutes I lose every working day. I also work from home as much as my boss lets me. Of course, that’s not really a sacrifice, but there’s actually people that go to the office when they could easily WfH.
I also avoid using the elevator as much as I can. Less than 3 floors means I’m taking the stairs every time. For a year or 2 I had to go up to the 8th floor once per week. Not once did I take the elevator.
I avoid LLMs as much as humanly possible. And I actively try to convince as much people I can that LLMs are a huge waste of resources.
I wear my clothes until they’re actually broken. If they no longer fit me, I store them, in case they fit me in the future. I own 2 pairs of shoes. One of daily use, the other in case the main ones break or are otherwise temporarily unusable (drying or whatever). It’s not a money issue, I could easily buy new clothes.
I use my electronics until they break or become otherwise unusable. Until ~3 years ago my second monitor was a 4:3 screen with less than 720p resolution. ~3 years ago that screen stopped working.
When I do buy new electronics, the EU energy rating is one of the most important features I consider.
I don’t order food delivery. I just walk to the restaurant and bring the food home myself. Either walking or on non-electric bike.
Before buying online, I first search for a physical local shop that would sell the item.
There’s plenty of things you can do as a normal citizen that can help slow global warming.
I do many of the things you do, other than public transport becuase we have none, but still, it almost feels you are wasting your time/life for people who dont care. You take public transport, 10 people drive a ford f teen thousand getting 7 mpg to carry 1 human 5 miles.
Unless you enjoy being martyr I guess. Ive kind of come to the conclusion that we are fucked, so I will live life as I want, don’t have kids to suffer the future, and thats that. Sure I can be somewhat responsible but I’m not going to quit traveling or using AC on the basis of saving the planet. Its just not worth it. I’m not saying purposely be wasteful, but I have 1 limited life, I’m not going to restrict myself for the sake of a million dumbasses who couldn’t care less.
Thus becoming one more of the million dumbasses.
That exact mentality is what got us here.
You don’t want to put in the effort? Cool, you do you. I don’t care. I’m not following you though, the stairs are way healthier as a bonus.
I’m not saying give up entirely (i also take the stairs, why not, keeps you healthy), but I’m saying its not worth being a martyr, going into a cave and yelling at clouds that everyone else is wrong for having a car and AC.
I won’t be buying a new vehicle ever, I won’t be using amazon to purchase stuff i can easily get used, I won’t be using llms etc. But will I give up meat completely and never travel? No, sorry.
I’m also not going to convince my neighbor with 5 kids , a camper, a boat, and a mcmansion (theyre also bankrupt) that theyre destroying the planet. They dont care and won’t change.
I disagree with the implication that unilateral sacrifices are going to make any significant difference. Reduce driving sure, but we need large scale systemic change, not a handful of exhausted altruists.
Ok, that’s not what they said though. Having said thait… how do you know what actions they did or did not take in this case?
Do you think it is more productive to criticise someone who took insufficient action and who is now taking more action, or to praise them/react positively/keep quiet?
This guy is pretty explicitl that he believed in it, he just didnt feel it yet. It was an abstract, far-off issue in his mind until it was palpable, which I don’t think is unreasonable, thats kinda just how our brains work
And when you see fuck all done by the people sitting in office, being guided by the smartest professors in the country, you’re naturally going to think media is mostly just selling fear as they always do - Because if it was that dangerous, surely we’d do more large scale changes
Yeah a big part of it is just a refusal to change the ways we are accustomed to. I myself am guilty as much as anyone. I buy used for many things (no amazon or Walmart use), I drive small cars, dont litter etc, dont use herbicide or pesticide etc. Normal stuff. But the fact is I occasionally eat meat and use AC like everyone else. Only difference is theres no kids to perpetuate the destruction and the suffering, so maybe I’m ahead there.
I think anyone who thinks it will get better is just delusional. It will not change, and there is only suffering ahead for the younger generation, sorry.
Yeah. You’re only supposed to shame them in your head.
That’s not insight, it’s still the same selfishness as before: “This is bad for meeeeee!”
There’s levels to it. They have clearly recognised that they need to adjust their behaviour.
Nothing in the image suggests that. And we’re talking about someone who opens with “I believe it’s happening, but I haven’t noticed it.”
The kicker is that it’s not individual consumers that need to change anyway. It’s large corporations and governments. If there’s any individual behavior that needs changing, it should involve armed resistance.
I am not seeing any shaming here.
Only now is it clicking
sounds like disbelief
it’s hard to see from someone else’s perspective, and it can be confounding to try
“only now clicking” is not inherently an insult, but I suppose it could be implied, but without more context I can’t be sure
Yep it sure can be 🙄
That’ll bring back everyone dying of heat stroke. Dumb asses need to know they’re dumb asses.
We’ve known this was a potential issue since the 60’s. The 1860’s.
As of the 90’s, scientists were saying that increased CO2 presence in the atmosphere could lead to global warming. The 1890’s.
It is what it is.
Scientists and experts have tried for 50+ years to warn about it but now it is what it is.
The Greenhouse Gas Effect should have been enough. Altering the reflective properties of the atmosphere and increasing the energy budget of the planet surely must be a terrible idea.
But do we know that it is a terrible idea?
They looked back in time to show that historically more CO2 means increased temperature and changes in the climate system that we may not want.
They looked forward in time to simulate how our emissions will lead to a hotter climate and how it might change in ways we might not want.
They even took all these models that admittedly vary and depend on initial conditions and assumptions and they combined them all so that we aren’t sensitive to only one kind of model and method.
Still, people think we cannot know such things.
It is what it is. But one thing I do know for sure is that we have lost the excuse to go back and question things. We can’t say “If only we were warned”. “If someone really knew, why didn’t they say anything?” “Why weren’t they more persuasive?” This has been screeched about for most of our lives. Every single person on the planet knows about it. Any skepticism and doubt has been explicitly against the advice of those who know. We chose not to listen.
It is what it is, but I will spend what little money I have and what little democratic say I have to move us into a world with less emmisions. It may be too late, but I’d like to be able to sleep at night.
I have no hope, that the system will change in time for us or those who come after us; humans and other walks of life. But I still do things and make choices, that mitigate my impact on the planet. Not because I think I can steer us away from this path, but because it is the right thing to do. I am morally obligated to do it even if the result does not change and I take a weak solace in that fact. And of course it always matters whether we hit 3, 4, 5 or 8 degrees above pre-industrial mean to other evolutions of life.
most people are experimental physicists. they need to see the outcome to believe it. merely predicting it is not enough.
I bet you there will be a lot of people saying they haven’t been warned properly. They could not have known it would be THAT bad.
people wernt alarmed when most countries abandoned thier climate goals/initiatives like years ago.
