You are not being civil. If I say

hey there buddy, i noticed youve got adorable kids there. I’m gonna kidnap them and lock them in with my state’s congressmen and a bucket of lube for a few days. Then I’m gonna visit you and make sure your body has the right number of holes. We probably disagree about what that is, but I think we can come to a compromise in the mid double digits! Compromise! Civility!

I would not call that civility, I would call that disgusting and gross as well as violent and offensive. That’s what you sound like. That’s what everything out of your vile fucking mouth sounds like to any thinking human being. Content matters as much as form, and yours is always without exception violently ignorant to an offensive and dehumanizing degree.

Also, literally nothing works like or is what you think it is. You are wrong. This is a blanket statement. You are wrong. About every single god damnthing so far. Its like you’re ontologically wrong. Like a wizard conjured up a dunning-kruger elemental. Fuck off back to San Francisco, finish your mba at Stanford, and fuck off.

‘Inherently’

That’s bullshit. They’re no more inherently fascist than they are inherently Christian, and not all fascists are or were eugenicists.

Yep, I read real good. Its a curse.

There are genuine uses and perils, but this ass clown has never met a torment nexus he didn’t feel a compulsion to stick his dick in, and that’s exactly the kind of person, aside from Nazis, who’s a case for us not being grown-up enough as a culture to touch that technology.

You’re being extremely offensive and everything you believe is confidently wrong and repulsive. Using nice words to advocate eugenics and polydystopia is not civil. Thoughtless speech and confident stupidity are offensive to everyone who’s ever fucking studied a god damn thing. Fuck off with your tone policing.

You do not know what the fuck you’re talking about. That’s not even what an “ai agent” claims to be. Please never try to interact with the real world.

Okay so my search wasn’t working, but here’s the full portion:

I turn my body from the sun. What ho, Tashtego! Let me hear thy hammer. Oh! ye three unsurrendered spires of mine; thou uncracked keel; and only god-bullied hull; thou firm deck, and Pole-pointed prow,—death-glorious ship! must he then perish, and without me? Am I cut off from the last fond pride of meanest shipwrecked captains? Oh, lonely death on lonely life! Oh, now I feel my topmost greatness lies in my topmost grief. Ho, ho! from all your furthest bounds, pour ye now in, ye bold billows of my whole foregone life, and top this one piled comber of my death! Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering whale; to the last I grapple with thee; from hellcs heart I stab at thee; for hate’s sake I spit my last breath at thee. Sink all coffins and all hearses to one common pool! And since neither can be mine, let me then tow to pieces, while still chasing thee, though tied to thee, thou damned whale! Thus, I give up the spear!

There’s a lot of archaic language and nautical terminology there, but its much more about grief and abandon and madness, it shows a weakness, a frenzied hopeless death drive as much or more than the determination and strength implied by the shorter quote the space-nazi shouts.

Okay but you get some of these things are like the core of the dystopianness?

Like reading diamond age and doing the ‘let’s make a pure ai kids toy!’ Or ‘I want a skull gun!’ Instead of any of the cool parts, when the book is exactly about how ‘this is dangerous/stupid/fundamentally evil/would suck’. You’re from the bay area, or work in tech. You have to be.

Also, we do not have parlor walls. How does someone get to be this stupid-evil and this confident in being stupid-evil? Like have you ever seen a torment nexus you didn’t want to stick your dick in?

I’ve gamed on a secret weed farm deeeep in the woods. The networking is a little iffy sometimes, but even with our current infrastructure it can be done. We had an electric water heater, TV, full kitchen, and game consoles, half an hour’s hard hike and half an hour’s drive to the general store in summer (more complex in winter), a couple hours to the nearest town. Latency spikes happened, weather happened, but the internet was there. We never had to go out for fruit or veggies, but didn’t grow our own grains/carbs, and didn’t have any meat/dairy animals.

You don’t need to live by a script. Figure out the life you want. As long as it doesn’t fuck with anyone else, you deserve it.

You get that ‘the giver’ is a dystopia, right? Of fucking course you don’t.

Good. Enshittification of the panopticon goggles.

The entire rest of that section goes so much harder and is so much gayer.

The idea of making the behaviors you want easier, the outcomes you want more likely to happen, just does not occur. Like, if you want less reckless driving, make it less necessary or convenient to drive.

You realize punishment is harm, right?

You understand nothing

I’m really not interested in your extremely remedial analysis. I am aware of the various philosophies of law. The idea of making the outcome you want easier just does not occur.

It’s all about proximal causes and assigning ultimate responsibility to a person you assume must be evil and not helping them to do what you want even when its something that’s usually a function of recklessness irresponsibility or incompetence but just hurting people until the world is better.

The violently incurious crescendo of dunning-kruger that you would take out on others is absolutely disgusting. Everything you’ve said here is violently stupid, literally violently. Never stop posting. Not for a moment.

Depends on climate. If its hot, you need deoderant.

If you’re gonna freeze off fits you don’t even have the moment one of your ten layers unzips, you may not.

Modern deoderant is modern. There’s a long history of scent coverings, especially in indoor public spaces like temples. Why the bucket of hydrogenated whale piss do you think incense started being a thing?

Oh you’ve never played a tcg.

Why can’t they be… taught? To clean themselves?

‘Prevent crime’

What is crime? How does it relate to undesirable outcomes? Why do you think laws, just threatening people and public punishment and awfulnes, are a good tool for anything you want?

Not even going to start on the ‘eugenics’. You get that gattaca was not a “we should do this!” Movie, right? Jesus buckets of frothy diarrhea Christ are you from fucking San Francisco or some shit?

‘Compensated’.

What if their work was its own reward? Like if you want a smart grid, you build one, or check in with the people building one and ask how to help, and if private property is abolished, you just build shit for everybody, or everybody it’s convenient to build for? So you can’t really hoard shit. You can only inspire and build for everyone?

Or if you want more houses because you’re sick of sleeping outside or hate the streets being full of tents or want your dumbass 23 year old to move out finally please, you go learn about construction, or hook up with your local construction club/crew? If nobody owns stuff that isn’t meaningfully personally theirs, it gets much easier to do shit.

The lady who runs the best construction crew and her friend who designs the most beautiful houses still get prestige for being standouts, they still get to feel awesome, just like the guy who throws those amazing parties, but there’s not this huge bundled abstraction layer of bullshit.

Its not like people want to do nothing, unless they’re totally crushed by capitalism. Maybe the ways we do things change. We build more safely (or way less safely, hell yeah! Watch this!), or work shorter hours, or there’s an air separated musicians cubicle in operating rooms for live dramatizations, it whatever sensible cool or insane shit we decide to do. You can’t really argue we would make worse decisions than the ones currently governing us.

You go through a lot of insane implausible contrivances to keep this ‘money’ system you admit has basically never not been extremely fucked up.

Everything dies?

By making you think less generally.

Eugenics, yeah, cool. Love it.

Laws aren’t a tool for preventing bad outcomes, and if you think they’re the primary tool you are not a serious person and will not create a functional society.

You would rather change what humanity is on a biological level than fucking acknowledge that existing power structures are nonsense and horrible?

I would ask what drugs you’re on, but since monday I’ve been on or around people who were on acid molly coke meth weed severe head trauma alcohol none of their prescribed antipsychotics dilotted and some rich people designer bullshit that’s just strings of letters and numbers I can never remember. None of it made any of them this deranged.

I’m not even against some people having a little more or less. Some people genuinely like subsistence farming and singing in the town choir and chilling in the woods. Some people like gaming computers or kayaks or rock climbing. Some people like cocaine, or rockets, or super computers. That’s all fine. You don’t need to push a rocket powered super computing gaming yacht on the peasantry fetishist. They don’t want that and will not appreciate you for it.

Its the hoarding and bullshit I can’t with. The inefficiency. The having so much at the expense of more existing. The militarized bullshit to keep the inequalities and inefficiencies. The arrangement of the entire world around them.