• i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca
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    1 hour ago

    Here I just assumed all online IQ tests always vastly inflated the results to make their idiot users feel smart and hand over money for the certificate or whatever.

  • TerdFerguson@lemmy.world
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    The real IQ test is whether or not you give a shit about IQ.

    Everyone who cares about it is some kind of fucking idiot or another.

    • j5y7@sh.itjust.works
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      It’s not a terrible metric if it’s used as it was initially intended. IQ was supposed to be a benchmark to show where you’re at, like weighing yourself on a scale. Then you’re supposed to take measures to improve it. It was never meant to be a defining attribute or a contest. Bragging about having a higher IQ than someone makes as much sense as bragging about how much skinnier you are than someone else. Bragging about having a 135 IQ makes as much sense as bragging about weighing 135 lbs.

  • 🌞 Alexander Daychilde 🌞@lemmy.world
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    IQ is, for the most part, a stupid measure. Or at least, it measures one specific thing, which is basically how quickly you can learn. That is to say, in theory, if you put someone with a 120 IQ and someone with an 80 IQ into a class, the first one should theoretically outperform the second if they put equal effort in.

    I will say this frankly: I have a very high IQ - I was tested first when I was 6 and have been tested a couple of times since. I do have a learning disability - ADHD - and mine is severe, at that. So while I do generally pick up on things faster than some others on average, I certainly don’t pick up on everything quickly. There are subjects I absolutely do not get. And furthermore, thanks to circumstances and the stupid ADHD, here I am at 50, neve having had steady jobs (I did work 5 years one place), in shitty health (six heart attacks, below-knee amputation, congestive heart failure, on dialysis because my kidneys failed), with my wife and I surviving because while we both had ADHD and struggled, she’s been more consistent about keeping work, and definitely contributes more to the household budget.

    So a high IQ basically means extremely little. You don’t have to have IQ to find success in life, or even to be highly degreed and an intellectual. It just means that you probably have to work a bit more at it. That one specific aspect of life. And there are many many aspects of life.

    • neidu3@sh.itjust.works
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      High IQ scores mean you’re good at IQ tests, and that’s it.

      Eons ago, when I joined the army as a conscript, the officer said I scored higher than 90% of anyone taking the test.

      The test results implied that I’m smart. My life experiences prove otherwise.

      I always liked putting it in D&D terms: I’m not sure if I have high INT and low WIS, or if it’s the other way around.

    • Silver Needle@lemmy.ca
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      which is basically how quickly you can learn

      Not even that! IQ measures how well one performs in a barrage of simple abstract tasks. That alone can never be the stuff of intelligence, let alone learning speed. It doesn’t hold a candle past grade four and outside of diagnosing certain cognitive issues.

      I generally agree with your sentiments, I have met people whose IQs I don’t know but would be considered conventionally highly intelligent just from the level of knowledge they broadcast and their quick wit. Many of them self-ascribed “failures”. Suffice it to say, it’s been a mission of mine to deconstruct what intelligence is. Collective smarts seem to matter much more than those of any individual.

    • Fredselfish@lemmy.world
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      Besides all the health issues you’re me. High IQ but the ADHD fucks it all up. I too kept one job 6 years. But that was mostly because it was easy and long as I got my work done my boss let sit and read books. If it hadn’t been for my relaxed boss I would have not stay so long. Hell probably still be there if it hadn’t gone out of business.

      But goddamn I can pick up and learn quickly, but not able to stick to anything and can’t focus to accomplish the things I know I could or want to do.

      • 🌞 Alexander Daychilde 🌞@lemmy.world
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        Executive function is the bane of my existence. I’m doing the worst possible work right now - contract work that exists at any time I want to work on it. There’s no deadline, I just pick up a piece of the work and do it. Should take 30-60 minutes per piece. And the pay is decent.

        But getting myself to log in and sit down and work on that is absolute torture.

        But with my health and circumstances, it’s not a bad opportunity. heh.

        I feel ya completely.

    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      Yeah IQ is bullshit, and the people who use it either as an insult, or a way to boast about their own intelligence, are idiots

  • Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe
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    The site didn’t make clear that’s not a good thing

    Hahahahahaha ha, omg, the irony

    That’s comedic brilliance right there.

    • MissesAutumnRains@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      Not to poke extra fun, but they even give examples to better visualize it. 😅 I have to think this post is just a bit of trolling anyway, though.

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    We had an IQ test as part of the performance review process in a company I worked in. It did not have any effect on the review, it was just there. The dudes with IQ above 120 were insufferable to work with. The dudes with IQ below 85 were insufferable to work with. Both managed to do about the same amount of work. The dudes who scored between 100-110 were a pleasure to work with, and practically carried the other two groups.

    • loonsun@sh.itjust.works
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      4 hours ago

      Like an actual general intelligence test or a cognitive ability test? Neither should be used in a performance context though so that’s wild. Cognitive ability testing should only be used for selection not for performance the fuck.

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    I suspect my brother is smarter than I am.

    I tested very highly. I can’t remember what the number was. Triple digits at least. It impressed people. I was placed in advanced classes and did very well in school, but I also got bullied and didn’t get girls.

    My brother tested very low. People told him he was smarter than that. He said, “prove it.” He attended normal classes, had more friends, and had plenty of girlfriends.

    Neither of us attended university. We both work for a living and do alright.

    I think he threw his test. So who’s smarter?

    Also to be clear: I don’t put much stock in the test itself. We were tested in elementary school. It’s been almost 40 years, so I don’t remember much. Not all students were tested. We were tested at my elementary school, but I don’t remember if it was the office or a classroom or even the library or cafeteria. We were also tested at different ages — I’m 3 years older. So I can’t even say it was a real IQ test. Some kind of aptitude or placement test though. But after, they all said I was some kind of genius. But I never felt like they proved I was any smarter than anyone, just singled out to excel, and for what?

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      Maybe it should just say “this means your intelligence is below average”. I genuinely think someone with <80 IQ would have a very low chance of understanding the text as presented in the screenshot.

      Stupid people are people with human rights too, and they should be considered with empathy when building a society. That should be particularly obvious to a site that performs IQ tests. For every person with an IQ above 100, there’s a person below.

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        The thing is, people with low IQ and stupid people are two different groups. My IQ was once tested over 140, and I have done, and still sometimes do, some pretty stupid stuff. I can also be quite dense.

      • SGH@lemmy.ml
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        8 hours ago

        Just took a test out of curiosity, but the result screen is much different.

        Disclaimer: Don’t take too much of the score for granted, the test isn’t that comprehensive, and just by knowing basic math and intermediate logic you may reach a similar score.

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          A “real” IQ test also scores you on different types of skills, or at least the one I was given to take did. I ended up above average on things such as math and logic skills while scoring below average on language skills, which, knowing me sounds about right.

          • Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            I have always wondered why language skills are in an IQ test. If someone speaks 1 language he’ll be better off than someone speaking 3 as the test is only in one language?

          • SGH@lemmy.ml
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            Yeah, there was nothing about language in it, but I took it anyway just for the sake of it.

            Wish I could take an official one, purely out of curiosity.

    • 🌞 Alexander Daychilde 🌞@lemmy.world
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      Please, can we move away from the “R” word.

      I went on a semi-rant about IQ in another top level post, but now it’s time to go on a rant about the R word.

      I’ve worked with adults with developmental and cognitive disabilities. I was a supported living coach for a while, and also volunteered some at an adult day training school where my wife taught.

      The school in particular taught daily living skills, but also art. The students were encouraged to paint, sing, write. They had a theatre program - which is where I mostly volunteered, running sound for some shows and helping backstage at others.

      Before I started working with them, I was a bit intimidated and scared by them. I personally have a high IQ[1], so the concept of people living with a low IQ kinda scared me a little. What do they live for? How do they live? How do they survive with, like, limited thoughts or whatever? I had no clue.

      Then I got to meet the community at the day school and I quickly realized… they’re human, like you and me. Of course they are. But I didn’t know. I learned that they have needs and wants, like all humans; friendships and gossip and enjoying some days and not enjoying other days. You know, seriously, like the rest of us.

      One of the classes my wife taught was theatre, and she taught her class Shakespeare (among other things). When I say that her students understood Shakespeare, I mean they could explain what happened in the plays they covered. What I began to realize was that the main problem these folks faced was that they learned more slowly. Not that they couldn’t learn.

      Also, as an aside: While it was mostly amazing getting to hang out and work with these folks that tended to be much happier than other groups of people I’ve dealt with, that is also a negative stereotype, expressed specifically in the stereotype that many people with Down’s syndrome are always happy. Well, like many steretypes, there is some truth there, but everybody has shitty days, and not only that, but everyone has their own personality. Just because you see happy people with Down’s in media… it ain’t all like that. But overall, there is some truth there.

      But the main point of my post, after hopefully helping to humanize them to you and anyone reading, is to end with this: They know the “R” word. They hear it. They hear it used against and about them. And even when it’s not, they know the word and that they are its origin. When that word is used, you’re not just calling something “stupid”, you are referencing a whole group of people that absolutely do not deserve it.

      As a final note, to anyone who wants to argue about how language changes and how words get retired and if we retire this word another will come along: First of all, I don’t believe you in this case. In the past 10-15 years, the word has fallen off in use, and the words that replaced it weren’t offensive in the same way. But I’ve had to start speaking out about it again because it’s starting to come back in the past 2-3 years or so, and I’d rather see it permanently quashed. Also, even if another word did come along that was offensive, THAT DOESN’T EXCUSE USING THIS WORD RIGHT NOW WHICH IS OFFENSIVE RIGHT NOW.

      I’m not telling anyone what to do. You and everyone have the right to use the language you wish to. I and others have the right to judge people for the language they use, though. So I hope you and others that use the word will consider removing it from your vocabulary.

      I did. Took me a while, but it was worth it.

      I’m no saint. I lose my temper and rant against those I feel are supporting fascism, for example, far more than I should. So I’m not trying to say I’m better than anyone. I’m just humbly requesting that people who use that word reconsider doing so, as it makes the world a slightly better place. <3


      1. Which is worth extremely little, q.v. my other rant in this thread ↩︎

      • 🌞 Alexander Daychilde 🌞@lemmy.world
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        I humbly request that you see one of my other comments in this thread and reconsider the use of the “R” word. I won’t repeat it here so I don’t “spam up” the thread.

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          I agree with your stance on the other comment (really appreciate you taking the time to write the post), however since this one in particular is a direct quote from a movie I think its grey enough to let slide.

          What’s up with the word making a comeback tho? Rise of fascism in general and all the sludge it raises?

          • 🌞 Alexander Daychilde 🌞@lemmy.world
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            I think its grey enough to let slide.

            I censor when I quote from Blazing Saddles, but I’m not attempting to say you’re making an incorrect decision - we all decide what we’re okay with, and… dammit, I can’t write this to sufficiently indicate I’m not judging (while disagreeing mildly), but I’m not. lol.

            fascism

            That’s my theory. The bigots have come back out of their closet and are taking pride and joy in being bigots. “I can say what I like and you little snowflakes can deal with it!” (until we say something they find offensive)

            I suppose it’s the least of our worries considering all the other harm that’s been done and is being done, but it[1] certainly contributes.


            1. The racism/bigotry in general ↩︎

      • Doom@lemmy.world
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        Agreed. Doing well on any test just proves that you’re good at taking a test. Intelligence is measured by far many variables then test taking. Nevermind that test scores can be raised by coaching and practice. If the IQ test were a true indicator of intellect the score would be fixed each and every time it is taken regardless of outside influences.

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    Eh… It says that in a room with a thousand people you would be smarter than 345 of them.

    That’s the same as saying in a ranking where no. 1000 is the smartest and no.1 is pretty much the dumbest person, you would be number 346.

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        How do you figure?.. Is this an IQ joke? in a room of 1000, where you are smarter than 345 people, you are also dumber than 654 people. You’d be the 346th dumbest person.

        Edit: Change 346 to 345.