Trying to get impeachable grounds on JD before moving on Trump?
Goddamnit I can’t believe jordanlund of all people is like the only one with a correct take in this entire thread.
I literally don’t even know how many times Trump has been impeached. Three maybe? Is it three? Could be four. I think it was more than one. I don’t remember what any of the charges were, if I ever heard.
Caring about that shit is such performative lib shit. The only people who care about Trump’s “permanent record” are politically engaged liberals who were 100% going to “vote blue no matter who” anyway. Do you seriously think you could walk into like a random warehouse and ask people what crimes Trump has been impeached over and get correct answers from anyone who wasn’t already a guaranteed vote?
The way you actually reach people is by promoting things that *make a material difference in their lives," not some DC soap opera shit. You say something like, “No tax on tips,” you start cutting through the culture war barriers and media environments and catching the attention of people who normally wouldn’t give two shits about politics. But libs are so far up their own asses about “decorum” and “permanent records” and shit that even Republicans have managed to outflank them, which is an utter embarrassment.
Also, for the record, the justice system is a complete joke regardless. Bush never got impeached for all the illegal torture and spying he did. Anyone with good sense who’s paying attention should know better than to look to the law (of all things!) as some kind of moral guide. The law only matters as far as it exerts power, a purely symbolic “victory” within a fundamentally broken system could not be more meaningless.
Oh but to be clear fuck Jefferies, just like, not for this specific thing.
Is there a progressive or, you know, anyone with a pulse running against this useless lump of flesh in the primary?
That’s fine, it’s failed three times now.
But if they have the votes to remove him & don’t, that’s going to be a huge problem.
Wrong answer
well duh. where’s the profit in the change of rhetoric?
Removing Trump requires 67 votes in the senate. There is no mathematical way to get those numbers in November. I don’t agree with him, but I understand where he is coming from.
Now is the time for a bold declaration of what we’re not going to do!
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There is a way in the November mid-terms. You’re just naysaying for the sake of it. But I understand where you’re coming from.
Requires the dems winning nearly every race because the maximum they could get up to is 69 right now. If they win every single seat up for re-election.
The dems do have an advantage though. There are more republican seats up for re-election than democrat ones.
Not nearly every race, there are 22 R seats up for grabs and Dems currently have 45. They need every single seat. Some of those republican seats won by more than 20pts last election, also it’s not a guarantee that all dems vote for it.
Fetterman won’t.
Vote Blue No Matter Who, am I right?
Yes.
I’m so glad that our Blue No Matter Who doesn’t want to punish the bad guys. Clearly the better choice by allowing trump to get away with everything. Might as well rubber stamp his 3rd term.
Vote that fucker out.
Fuck this guy
Jefferies never was impressive to me
I’d like him gone but it would be fun for him to stick around while a lot of his bad work is dismantled.
Is this idiot trying to lose the midterms?
I suspect the answer is actually “yes”. AIPAC has spoken, they like trump.
Controlled opposition. Like Chuck the cuck or rich bitch Pelosi
When asked if impeachment was a top priority, Jeffries said “of course not” during an appearance on “Fox News Sunday.”
“I’ve made clear from the very beginning that our top priority is going to be to drive down the high cost of living,” the House minority leader added.
Sounds like he’s trying to win the midterms.
Sounds like you don’t understand where we’re at as a nation.
Or what Americans actually want. it’s not a “vocal minority” that want the pedophile, racist, bigoted asshole of a president that is jacking up our cost of living so he can be a fucking king gone. So ignoring that and saying you will do nothing about it IS NOT A WINNING STRATEGY.
doing nothing except writing stern letters is not going to solve the problem, either.
How did Trump win? The economy.
that’s excessively simplistic.
Trump did not win “because of the economy.”
He won because he was able to motivate his base to vote where Harris had been less able to do so.
Yes, Trump utilized “the economy” as a talking point, but he also utilized deregulation, and immigration (read: general bigotry and scapegoating) as well as LGBTQ+ and christofascist culture war bullshit. Trump’s voters are too stupid to understand that he’s lying to them, so that kind of messaging actually works.
Harris on the other hand also campaigned on “the economy”- and the cost of living and continued work to supporting not-millionaires; as well as shit like Trump’s former immigration plan and continued support for Israel and so on. harris/Democrat voters are not too stupid to see the problem with some of the things she adopted(immigration, supporting israel) and such like; while souring on economic messaging because Biden had been constantly running that out as if it were amazing while most Americans were struggling. (it took him until like the October before the presidential election to even acknowledge most Americans were still struggling.)
Basically, Trump won because Harris did exactly what the Jefferies is now doing; and that’s summed up as “Ignoring the American people”.
Sure, drive down the cost of living … by impeaching Trump and getting rid of his dumbass tariffs.
Is there some way both parties can lose the midterms?
If enough people vote for a different party.
I really hope he gets primaried
I’m hoping there plan is to treat him like a stupid old feeb, and they’re saying this with a big wink.
Jeffries incumbency no longer a top priority for dems once they win House majority
this just in from everyone hearing his weak-ass bullshit
I can’t believe I voted for this bullshit motherfucker twice just because I thought he was cute and he flirted with me once. like I organized for him. I knocked on (possibly thousands of) doors for him. I marched through streets for this useless motherfucker! canvassing and al that endless campaign bullshit… FOR MONTHS!!!
and all for this? FOR THIS MEANINGLESS BULLSHIT NOTHING OF A STATE REP?? AAAARRGHH!!!
One of the problems with the Democratic Party is that the number one quality for choosing leadership is how well they fundraise. Obviously this makes leadership beholden to those with the biggest pockets, like AIPAC.
We need to primary every Democrat incumbent who isn’t a progressive in action as well as rhetoric.
If it makes you feel any better, he’s still undoubtedly better than whatever Republican ran against him.
You deserve the republicans at this point
And it begins.
“Let’s move past thus” “We have to think about the future” “We need to reach across the table”
Fuck these corrupt politicians. They know what Trump is and just want more after a short break.
I mean, I’m not even gonna say Hakeem Jeffries is corrupt (because I don’t really know), but I sure as shit am gonna say that he’s a do-nothing coward piece of shit. And that’s just as bad. He needs to go!
The sound of the ratchet clanking shut as the overton window locks into place so that it can shift right once more.
We can get rid of him in the primary.
That website isn’t visible for me as a foreigner, but I checked his answers on the Ballotpedia questionnaire. Seems like we agree on a lot of things. Good luck, Americans. These could be the most important midterms of your lives.
Good for you for putting in the effort though. Every drop counts, even if some arsehat comes along and steals your effort. You still did your best.
If only we can work hard to get him a majority, Jeffries promises he will only use it to play games strictly in his lane instead of actually leading and actively opposing trumps wild overreaches and global shenanigans. Thats heartening.
Impeaching would be a pointless game.
Won’t succeed in removing him from office and “pointless” are not the same thing.
A referendum on his abhorrent behavior as president is absolutely called for. And a spotlight on the complicity of the entire Republican party is worth making hay out of. Jefferies is a spineless jellyfish who should be primaried out of political existence.
Impeaching would be a pointless game.
Disagree, because I think a big part of politics is posturing, arguing, presenting your data as best you can, and putting on a show to get people charged enough to get off the couch. Its manufacturing support. So Jeffries job should be much more than just occasionally voting.
Not only that but defending himself from impeachment takes resources away from all the other awful shit Trump is doing.
Right? Genuinely what the fuck is impeachment doing at this point? Nothing. The answer, at best, is obviously “nothing”, and you’d have to be deluded to think otherwise.
I don’t even mean the obvious inevitability that it wouldn’t remove Trump; I mean that, at best, it wouldn’t sway public opinion effectively whatsoever. Trump right now is hanging himself by his own noose, and if anything, an impeachment could put angry Republicans on the defensive by redirecting their attention through a partisan lens.
Impeachment should not be a priority; it’s patently a waste of time at this point, especially if Democrats win a House majority and can at least work to meaningfully slow Republicans’ flood of garbage.
I don’t follow your logic here. You know what slows a flood of garbage legislation? Forcing impeachment over and over
Forcing impeachment over and over
I’m not even going to dignify this with a smarmy “wow, look at the strategic genius on display here” and breakdown of why this is dumb, because that’d be an insult to other people reading this.
This is plainly the dumbest idea imaginable. House Democrats impotently jerking themselves off on the national stage over and over again is a strategy completely divorced from reality; Trump, by being such an astoundingly terrible leader, may have given them one more chance to turn the country around, and the second they actually seize on that (see: the article), your grand idea is to overshadow Republicans’ ire toward Trump and piss away all precious political momentum in a torturously useless quagmire of “orange man bad!” instead of at least attempting something feasibly useful.
Just agonizingly stupid. Also, you clearly have zero idea how “slowing down Republicans’ flood of garbage” (notice I didn’t say “legislation”; I meant generally) works if you think that it helps to hold impeachment hearings over and over if Democrats already have the majority.
Congress’s main duties are legislation, budgeting and impeachment. To fully realize those powers they need a super majority or a cooperative president, and they’ll have neither.
The administration will veto any legislation and has fucked with budgets. There is quite literally nothing useful Congress can do (unless you think they’ll have a sufficient super-majority) except obstruct or compromise with fascists.
If they had the power to do anything useful I would expect several Constitutional amendments to top the list along with impeaching the whole executive branch and some Supreme Court justices. But they won’t have that so what performative bullshit would you rather have them do?
