Basically just something people say that indicates a position indirectly, like how seperatists from a given region might always say they’re from [region] and not [country] or how trump supporters call AI “SI” now.
Saying “Foreigners” but only when talking about non-white people.
In germany words like “Alt-Parteien” (old partys), “Links-Grünversifft” (left-green drenched) and “System-<insert_adjective_or_noun>” get exclusively used by far-right people. Or the classic “<x-nationality-adjectiv> Volk” like “deutsches Volk” is classic nazi talk to avoid using “arryian” and still refer to ethnicity/culture threw the racial theory lense.
Using the German Empire flag or any variation of it (black white red) is a big give away. Or sadly over using the german democratic flag (black-red-gold). But there are efforts to reclaim the democratic flag by democratic forces.
Thorsteiner clothing brand is a very good give away and anything related to prussia, iron cross in any shape or form (unless it is on actual military vehicles obv!) Be it neckless, tattoo sticker or what ever and the gothic/germanic font.
People wearing the Bad Dragon Logo
You know they’re the kind of pervert that is going to be a really chill hang.
For context, the company Bad Dragon make Fantasy Dildos. And their logo looks very innocuous, just a stylised dragon.
So it is sometimes worn by folks who know that only those who are in the know will know, as a form of dog whistle for being kinky
An example of one of their products:
NSFW, giant dildo
I just realized that there’s a reason that specific part of the logo is red.
I fully didn’t notice until you said it
When israelis refer to “Arabs” instead of Palestinians, a a code for untermenschen and a form of erasure.
They explicitly asked for non Nazi examples
Recently I saw a Ford commercial that seemed to be saying "Fuck you! We’re gonna make our trucks even bigger!! ". Maybe I misinterpreted it.
My favorite dog whistle (that went over my head, because I was not the audience for it) was the Subaru “Come out and play” commercial.
If I remember it correctly, the ad was mostly footage of Subaru SUVs driving over rocks and through streams while a voice over talks about the cars’ off-road capabilities. The ads would always end with the narrator saying "Subaru invites you to come out and play.”
As a straight man, I always assumed that the commercial was about how much fun it is to drive a Subaru up a mountain. Apparently, I was missing the point. The nature footage was all a distraction to pacify the straights. The real commercial was just the sentence fragment “Subaru invites you to come out”. It was meant to say that Subaru supports queer people. It was a resounding success in promoting the ‘Subaru driving lesbian’ stereotype.
There was a whole campaign in the 90’s. The license plates were mostly lesbian coded, they included the Wizard of Oz cast or a certain lesbian tennis player, I think another tag line was “let’s go camping”. It was fun finding out about that because I had a lot of the National Geographic magazines that they had add pages in.
Are you certain it’s not a reference to that one scene from the 1979 movie ‘the Warriors’?
I can hear those clacking bottles clearly
That seems like a big stretch of interpretation, no?
People saying that in response to learning about a dog whistle is how you know it’s a good dog whistle.
Are you sure this whistle is even making noise?? I don’t hear anything…
It’s fully not, the head of marketing at the time actually has done multiple interviews about it.
“Subaru Lesbian” had become a meme in the queer community, and someone internal to Subaru found out that on self-reporting surveys of Subaru owners, Lesbians made up a surprising amount of the respondents
So Subaru decided to embrace it, with thinly-veiled advertising targeting lesbians
Yes and no. Subaru has a strong reputation in the queer community (or at least used to) because they were one of if not the first conpany to publically sponsor a queer sports player (female tennis player if memory serves correct but im sure somebody will correct me if im wrong). So even if not their intent, it’s easy to see how it could be interpreted as such. They didn’t earn the name “lesbaru” for nothing, they actually intentionally advertised to the queer community going back to the 90s if I’m not mistaken !
I thought this was more well-known. So much so that on the Karate Kid sequel series Cobra Kai, Johnny Lawrence is offered a Subaru and he quickly dismisses it because he’s not a lesbian.
Now hold on, I don’t care about sports or cars but I like lesbians, and the Subaru ad and the female tennis player were all part of a fiction television show, about lesbians called, “The L word.”
I don’t think these things happened in real life.
I’m too young, but it was real. It was such a thing within the lesbian community that shows like the L word were referencing it.
Well u made me look it up. They did a huge ad campaign with Martina Navratilova in the early 2000’s. Never heard of the L word show, but I suppose they had to be inspired by real life events seeing as how it was filmed after these ad campaigns took place!
Whoa
The more you know.
Still seems like a stretch but it hurts nobody to believe it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯NPR did a podcast episode on it. Subaru basically realized that their car specifically resonated with lesbians due to various usability niches and so they decided to lean heavily into it. But it was the 90s, so they needed to be sublte at times.
https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2016/10/14/497958151/episode-729-when-subaru-came-out
It does not matter what it seems like.
It is fact.
In one of them the license plate said Xena. It’s a whole campaign originating from market research saying that lesbians were disproportionately likely to buy their cars
Like this?
How do I know that wasn’t Hitler’s dog whistle?
Because Hitler beat his dog instead of calling her with whistle or name
“OwO, what’s this?”
…when did that become a nazi-dog whistle? (Unless i misunderstand that term)
How do you pronounce that?
“Oh-woah”
When you blow into a special whistle and a dog hears it and comes to you.
Ceationists calling it “intelligent design” rather than creationism
While there are definitely some non-nazi creationist, man, creationism is its own right wing agenda. Louise Agasazzi was a fucking racist piece of shit, and hated Darwinism because he thought all the “races” had a different origin. And then contemporary Creationists have their very ownMike Johnson who’s an author on the Answers in Genesis website. And Answers in Genesis itself is a Nationalist alt right political organization. Creationism is just excuse for them to hate the gays, the trans, and the abortors.
So yeah, I guess they aren’t technically Nazis…they are cut from the same cloth. They may not goose step, but they sure like carrying water for the goose steppers.
A creationist I worked with never used that word. He always described himself as “not an evolutionist” - I think he was trying to paint creationism as normal and evolution as the fringe.
I think it’s an older thing, but lace code. I guess generally on Dr. Martin boots. I’m pretty sure it died long ago, but some people still think it’s a thing.
Nope. Still in fashon with the nazis
I love the idea and I try to send my message. I don’t know why it fell out of use.
Lace code? Have I been unintentionally sending a signal with my laces? I just kept the laces the way they were when I bought my boots…
Even in places with lace codes wearing the default black ones that comes with the boots just mean you’re not doing a lace code, but they’ve never been common and the meanings change depending on the group you ask, so just wear whatever colour laces you want.
White == White power
Red == Killed for the white power movement
Yellow == Anti-fascistI only vaguely knew of Red Laces from the movie Green Room. It’s good but holy shit it’s a bit disturbing
“Hey buddy, if you already know no big deal. But, you know she…sleeps with a blahaj…if you catch my drift.”
A friend of Blåhaj
A chum of Blåhaj
Oh that’s good.
one shibboleth i noticed is that any mention of “race” strongly indicates that the person speaking is American, especially if it’s conflated with nationalities. “I’m [number]% [nationality]”, any use of “mixed race”, and stuff like “I can drink a lot of beer because I’m German” or “this recipe offends me as an Italian” are dead giveaways (and quite racist in my humble opinion)
I think a lot of the nationality stuff is because Americans are desperate for some identity of heritage. America is made of immigrants. Most people have no idea where their ancestors came from, unless it was relatively recently. If you’re in Germany, almost everyone around you is German and you have a shared identity. In America, no one knows where you’re from. American can be considered an identity I guess, but it doesn’t have much history. The history it does have is the lack of a homeland, and stealing it from others.
So yes, I guess it’s a dog whistle (usually those are intentional though), but I don’t see it as racist.
Seconding this. Its not racist at all, but a deep cry for some kind of uniqueness and being special because of the hyperindividualism of USA-culture. Europe is seen (and often treated) by US-americans as a theme park, an attraction.
To build on your example: inside germany, when you ask where one is from, you’ll get the culture/region. Saxony, bavarian, swabian, baden, franconian, hamburger, holsteiner, frisian. Or often even just the city lol No german, unless outside of germany and speaking to someone not german, will say they are from germany or german. And even then, though that is mostly bavarians, they might just say their region/culture.
US america doesnt have this past and sense of identity and belonging that even just your city in europe has. Except maybe NYC.
Portsmouth UK, proud harbor city and its identity is tied to everything seafairing. Has been since its inceptions by the romans. Same with Kiel, Hamburg, Lübeck (there ofc without the romans lol)
What identity does Portsmouth USA have? As faar as i know, none.
Even when i, a german, were to move to france or ireland, i still will be german/swabian at heart. No matter how long i lived somewhere else. Or where my long ago ancestors came from.
“I know pasta, my great grandmother was Italian”
Yeah, how do you know your great grand mother wasnt the worst fucking cook in the village? Maybe her food was so bad that her family had to get on a boat and move half way around the world where nobody knew about how shit her cooking was.
Hey, it’s obviously extraordinary any way, they compare it to normal american food.
After the big protests in France there were a million bots posting racist stuff on Reddit. They kept referring to “liberals” but none speaks like that in France. Liberal is the word you’d use to describe corpo-centrists like Macron, never to describe leftists.
It was kind of like the 3 fingers meme from inglorious bastards.
Yeah. "Liberty’ and “freedom” here is also defined differently than in the USA. Probably thanks to the french revolution and Napoleon spreading it.
Here it is “liberty/freedom OF” while in the USA it is “liberty/freedom TO”
Need to give Zelenskyy a few more drones to take out Russian datacenter troll farms.
Then go donate!
Then the gestapo would arrest me for “funding terrorism” while themselves funneling millions to both Russia and Ukraine.
I think it’s because immigrants wanted to preserve their culture when they came to the US, and that got passed down but was diluted over the generations, so you have people who have a very specific pride and identity that has deviated from the original.
In many cases the “original” deviated even more. It’s not like culture has been static in Europe for four hundred years.
? I’m talking about a scale of only a few generations and the USA hasn’t been around for four hundred years.
I’m talking about the timeline of European colonization of the Americas, which is the point of immigrant cultural divergence. And I’m actually off by over a hundred years, as the oldest continuously-settled Euro city in the West is Santo Domingo since 1496.
But even a shorter timeline an awful lot changed in Europe through the 1900s. A lot of “traditional” cuisine came after WWII.
That timeframe is a much larger cultural gap than what I was depicting, but regardless, it was not meant to imply that other countries remain stagnant.
Someone who’s family came from India two generations ago might still identify as Indian even though they never have been there, for example.
I hadn’t heard this theory before, but it does actually make a lot of sense.
I’ll contribute. I refer to my wife as my “partner”.
People on the left just continue conversation no problem. People on the right pause and you can see the wheels turning.
I’m a white not very masculine male.
Reminds me of how someone posted that he likes to tell people that he’s not gay but his husband is. And then watch the reaction.
Another white not very masculine male here - which I think is every bit as normal as being a woman who isn’t an insanely hot babe. It’s weird when things that are almost fringe become unattainable standards for a vast majority who really have no reason to feel inadequate.
The “white not very masculine male” piece was added to highlight that some people make assumptions about my sexuality when I use the word partner.
I’m plenty confident and happy with myself. I’m pretty fit, just not big.
I’m happy to give out hugs though! The marketing world is hell bent on making people feel inadequate so I understand your sentiment.
“No, don’t worry, Mr. Conservative. I’m male, she’s female, your norms aren’t being broken yet.”
“…Yeh, but partner implies she’s your equal. That don’t sit right.”EXACTLY 🙄
I do this. Someone called me out for pretending to be gay. Stolen valor!
I was just like. Sorry? I tried to be inclusive. Oh well, can’t win 'em all.
I’m sorry to hear that :( some people can’t be happy unless they’re angry at someone I guess.
Partner sounds more serious than boyfriend or girlfriend anyway.
What about Pardner? More or less serious?
“Partner” sounds like “spouse” to me, without the marriage ceremony.
Very good example, thank you, whenever someone says “partner” I immediately assume they’re at least somewhat woke.
They might just use the English language correctly.
Woke is in partners with grammar
Okay, but what if they also have some ridiculous 10 gallon hat on?
I’m from Texas, so it works both ways… Pardner hat tip 🤠
Okie here. “Pardner” is one thing. Put a hard “T” in it and it’s another.
English is so fucking weird. Then I read about various Chinese dialects and think, “How could anyone learn that?!” Same as I learned English I guess. :)
It’s not actually accurate to spell it “pardner”, it’s more of an emphasis on softening the “tee” sound because that’s how you’d say it with a southern accent.
🤦🏼♂️ Nobody, even in the South, calls their love interest, gay or otherwise, “pardner”. They enunciate parTner.
I never said that hahahah?
I’m from Oklahoma, I wear a ten gallon hat most days to work my acreage, to walk my doggies, when I have to work markets, and I’m so woke the coffee needs me to get it up early in the morning.
When they say “property” on the other hand…
I mean, if there’s a safe word involved…
The next level is referring to women as “devices”
Feeemales
Saying it like this is a dog whistle for Ferengi sympathizers
Yes! Normalize this!
Fuck yeah. Nice
The first time a friend referred to me wife as my “partner”, I questioned his choice of words because he was well aware that I’m not gay.
Like, I would still just carry on in convo, but if I hear “partner”, I make a mental note that they’re gay. The correlation has close to a 100% hit rate.
I know many (myself included) who are in heterosexual relationships and say partner due to not being married. It’s a pretty common thing…
It’s a pretty common thing…
…in my region of English speakers.
Well people who aren’t speaking English probably aren’t using an English word, yeah. No shit.
Online, at least, I’ve probably heard more hetero people than gay people use “partner.” In some cases they were in fact perfectly conventionally full-blown married, they just weren’t interested in sharing any more details than they had to to tell whatever story they were telling, because that detail wasn’t important for the story.
That checks out. You’d use the term to be deliberately vague. Online, you’d be giving away your gender and marital status to the scraperbots. In person, a vague response lands differently. Particularly when speaking one-on-one.
You know what’s funny about that? A lot of my hetero friends also say partner.
I started using it because it removes the baggage that gendered terms carry. My wife is my best friend. I like to do everything with her. We split chores pretty evenly.
Whereas, especially since gay marriage has been legal here a lot of gay couples very intentionally use wife/husband because of how hard the fight for that was
One day the venn diagram will become a circle.
yeah we started using it because we were past dating, but not married. it seemed appropriate.
Yet another use case! Not sure I’ve heard it that way in my area, not much anyway. Even us old folks say “girlfriend”/“boyfriend” if unmarried.
A lot of my hetero friends also say partner…
…in my region of English speakers.
…in the USA. I have friends and family all over.
Hetero people who don’t believe in marriage and/or don’t like husband/wife titles sometimes use titles like partner too because girlfriend/boyfriend doesn’t sound serious enough I guess. Common amongst my social circle but I get why it’s usually a dog whistle.
Also literally everyone in Europe
“partner” sounds like you’re lawyers. just make up a word, or take one from another language. we use “sambo”.
We have a perfectly good word in the English language, it’s “partner”
“partner” sounds like you’re lawyers. just make up a word, or take one from another language. we use “sambo”.
We have a perfectly good word in the English language, it’s “partner”
It doesn’t work quite as well in English
…no, no it does not. wow.
This is a you issue
It’s really not an issue.
Sure, but we’ve already established that you lack self awareness, so…
It kind of is though.
Same. You’re getting downvoted because lemmy cannot allow for regional language distinctions. Not even different countries, regions. It’s a big world.
No one where I’m at would refer to a married couple as partners. Nothing wrong with that, but it usually connotes a gay relationship.
I promise you it’s not that. It’s the way that individual wrote their comment. Like it was offensive to be considered gay. Why does it matter?
And you keep trying to tie it to a region. I think the only “regional” distinction you can make is rural vs anywhere else. But that’s more population density related not regional. It’s not really a pop vs soda situation.
Maybe you and this other person should reconsider your assumptions about the usage of the word “partner” hahahaha.
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Gawd but he NAILED me. Listening to Wait Wait and rasing chickens. Which are, btw, fantastic for making compost.
They’re also good for making sure no food ever goes to waste. They eat anything and turn it into eggs. Gotta love yard birds.
RIGHT? It either goes to the dogs or the birds. It’s fantastic.
Dude municipal compost is fucking amazing.
Trash doesn’t smell anymore.
The narwhal bacons at midnight.
I actually was around a guy who said this IRL at a party one time in 2011. I recognized it, but also internally cringed so hard that I pretended I didn’t recognize it. I’m sorry, Sean.
You’re a good friend.
Friends don’t let friends Reddit.
I miss that. I genuinely do. Back when it felt like a community and things were fun. I know it’s never gonna happen again, it was great to see it, but I miss spontaneous community fun online.
As someone who used reddit during that time, lemmy something feels exactly like reddit back then. Small communities and mainly consisting of a bunch of nerds
I feel that Lemmy is much less fun. Maybe it’s the time period but it just feels more like people being depressed and arguing with each other than anything goofy
I agree, and I think it is all down to what is happening all around us and the state everyone is in
Holds up spork
And my axe.
Something about Obama and shoelaces? I can’t remember.
Its not so much a dog whistle but in Quebec whether you say “sovreignist” or “seperatist” indicates your camp.
Like Caesar or Kaisar in Fallout New Vegas.
And whether you call the holiday in May “la fête des patriotes” or “la fête de la reine” is also a good one.
Old people still call it La Fete de Dollard. lol
It is more of a shibboleth, but that is what I meant when I made the thread, I’m also from Québec and it was an example I had in mind when creating the thread, just didn’t mention it because it seemed a bit niche.
A dog whistle is just a shibboleth for Nazis.
Not from Quebec but agreed.
Edit: as in I wasn’t expecting to see someone bring it up.
I’ve been in Quebec for a while now and that has never stuck out to me. In French or English. More people than you would think share their opinions on the subject to someone with a thick English accent.
