People aren’t generally opposed to the idea of differential algorithmic pricing, they’re against the way it’ll almost inevitably get implemented if allowed to be done without regulation / public involvement and oversight.
Ask a lefty if they’re in favour of charging people fines based on net worth/income, rather than based on a flat rate. Speeding ticket? That’ll be 0.5% of your annual salary, or 0.5% of your net worth, or a baseline minimum amount, whatever’s higher.
The way it’ll get implemented though, is more like “It’s hot, so you gotta pay x2 for water if you’re poor already”. And “you’re a privileged race/gender, you get X pricing, it’s not discrimination if it’s an algorithm doing it!”.
You’re comparing examples where the entity establishing the rate of a speeding ticket or a fine is the government as a consequence of you violating the law, to a company deciding how much they know you’re willing to pay for a product or a service that may or may not a basic necessity such as water or food. Not quite the correct comparison.
The difference? Nowadays both operate to make rich richer
Ask a lefty if they’re in favour of charging people fines based on net worth/income, rather than based on a flat rate. Speeding ticket? That’ll be 0.5% of your annual salary, or 0.5% of your net worth, or a baseline minimum amount, whatever’s higher.
As a Finn, I’m perpetually amazed when that’s not how it works in every country. I’m not a lefty, nor poor, and I think that’s the only reasonable way to handle fines.
every where else it’s only about punishing poor people, fairness has nothing to do with it.
Shouldn’t “Socialism” be the goal?
Only for the rich apparently.
I live in Ontario, and I feel like I’m living in a bubble, because not a single person I’ve talked to likes Drug Fraud, but Ontario voted this sack of shit thrice into the office. Everything feels like it’s in fucking shambles: the housing, healthcare, education (all the levels!); anything public aside from fucking businesses.
But then again, there’s also an insane amount of political apathy amongst my peers (I’m around 30). No one believes that their ability to vote means anything. I’m not allowed to vote (I’m a PR), and I have to find ways to tell my friends to go fucking vote. While it’s true that if shit hits the fucking roof I can always just move out, it hurts me to just watch my friends suffer, especially when a number of them are teachers and nurses, and they recount the sad episodes of the kids in schools and the patients in hospitals not getting the care they need.
No one cares that ridings are 100,000+ people. They should be at most 30,000 people. But, everybody has been convinced that politicians are bad, so we should have fewer of them.
Smaller ridings mean more democracy.
With a hundred thousand people in one riding, the majority of people haven’t even met their representative. …And Ford keeps making worse.But working in-office 4 days a week helps local businesses! Fuck off Doug Ford. I know he’s done a bunch of other shitty things (this article for example) as well. But he should really just fuck off and die.
live in Ontario, and I feel like I’m living in a bubble, because not a single person I’ve talked to likes Drug Fraud,
same same with Ted Cruz down south of the border and yet reelected :) what a world!
A lot of the people who “don’t like ford” still vote conservative to own the libs or something. I’ve met many who hate ford but still support the party.
The most common reason I’ve heard/read is “just look at what happened the last time we had a Liberal/NDP government in Ontario”
Then the details of why those governments were bad are usually about one tenth as bad as the current fuckery
I’ve even had people blame other governments for things a conservative government did.
The boomers love to point to Bob Rae as why they can’t think for themselves.
I thought he was just on his second term… Wtf
He called an early election soon after Trump was elected to try get himself an even stronger majority while running on an anti-Trump platform, propping up himself as the only person who can go against Trump for Ontario (yeah, the facist-inspired playbook). He sort of succeeded at it, given that the cycle was short, there was rather little time for other parties to rally, a lot of people couldn’t find the time to vote, and enough people bought into the idea that he can stand up to Trump despite people not actually liking him. The turnout was less than 50%.
Yeah, the voter turnout is fucking stupid. People who don’t vote don’t seem to understand that they are a big part of why he keeps getting in. They need to have it beat into them that their lack of a vote is a vote in favour of the elected party.
I know a few. They love his populist policies like alcohol and getting rid of bike lanes.
It is hard to get my non-Ford supporting friends to vote. They’ll typically ask me who to vote. Yeah it’s hard for sure.
Our country is conservative, we just don’t go to church.
Its really not. If we had 100% voter turnout, the Conservatives would never be re-elected. Ever wonder why right-wing politics is so keen on voter suppression?
Yeah…
Do you really think the liberals aren’t conservative? How about when they help weaken unions or when they sent jobs to Mexico or when they the Japanese in prisons or when the sold our electric company in ontario? Tell me when we’re they progressive?
The thing is is that voting is easy here. There’s pretty much no reason why the voter turnout in Ontario for Ford should have been ~41% and ~45% except for people being lazy.
If we had proportional representation, the conservatives would never be in power. Even though I think the apathetic non voting crowd leans more left, I think Doug’s populism and marketing would certainly garner some votes if everyone were compelled to vote. And historically, they’ve really only needed 40% of the for to win.
Even if we fired FPTP into the sun, the Cons would never see power ever again.
Give me a ranked ballot or run off voting.
Charge Doug Ford 10 billion dollars anytime he tries to purchase an item, you say?
If businesses were smart. They would have a “Too Rich to Understand Money” fee.
oh they do, that’s the vast majority of luxury products
I could totally see some hippie coffee shop doing this to him.
Sounds like a good way to implement a wealth tax
Tell me you don’t know what socialism is without saying you don’t know what socialism is.
He might not know anything about socialism, but he can tell you how to make a mean cheesecake.
What about a milk steak?
With or without cocaine?
Sprinkled on top like confectioners sugar. A perfect snack for a quick trip on a $29 000 000 tax funded jet.
Ah, I see. Socialism is when the market operates fairly…
Socialism isn’t a dirty word anymore. I would gladly take socialism over the late stage capitalism that allows surveillance pricing to exist.
Fuck Dougie and his 28 million dollar plane he just bought with tax payers $
Many of the things people like about Canada versus the USA is Canada’s more socialist policies like health care and more safety nets. We just can’t call it socialism cause the boomers who love those services are still afraid of that word.
This is very funny, but panel 3 and panel 5 are different people in reality.
Could one of you good folks explain to an outsider how this Muppet is still in elected office?
Like he’s infamous on the far side of the Atlantic in the drugs and private jet and “fuck the poors” way. I haven’t seen anything that would justify voting for him.
Many ontarians are really stupid. His “buck a beer” and literally no other platform to run on struck a chord with people who decided they got tired of the liberals
buck a beer
It’s some slogan in fairness. Alliteration and everything.
I presume buck is dollar in this context? Did he deliver on one dollar beers?
As far as I recall all he was doing was lowering the legal bottom limit beer could be sold for. And yes, we use a buck to refer to a loonie sometimes
Did he deliver on one dollar beers?
For a hot minute. Surprisingly it was really poorly made, and breweries couldn’t justify the cheap price for the cost of ingredients since none of it was subsidized by the provincial government.
He just expected breweries to take the loss.
He just expected breweries to take the loss.
Hahaha. I’m rolling around here. Genuinely. Hahahaha.
if most Ontarians didn’t vote, then most Ontarians didn’t vote for Doug Ford. so who voted for Doug Ford, and what does that system represent?
“not my party, not my leader” never goes out of style if you’re an anarchist.
If you didn’t vote, you implicitly accepted the outcome.
@T00l_shed nope. if you vote, you are responsible for what you chose. i didn’t choose what you chose. you did.
I did vote, not for dofo, but if you dont vote, you agree with the outcome. If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice. And in this case if you didn’t vote in ontario, you implicitly agree with the outcome of the election, as you decided not to participate, and allowed others to make the government choice for you.
@T00l_shed if i don’t vote, i don’t vote. i choose other courses of action. the people who voted for Doug Ford voted for Doug Ford. the people who did not vote did not vote for anyone.
here’s the nonsense logic of what you’re saying: most of eight billion people in the world who also didn’t vote in the Ontario election also voted for Doug Ford because they didn’t vote. but the people who did vote for Doug Ford, they’re your best friend and you’re okay with their decision. so you don’t really have any problem with Doug Ford.
implicit agreement is not a thing. that’s the opposite of consent. that’s you putting the responsibility for things going wrong, in a system that is designed make things go wrong, on everyone but the people who caused the problem. that is bullshit.
here’s the nonsense logic of what you’re saying: most of eight billion people in the world who also didn’t vote in the Ontario election also voted for Doug Ford because they didn’t vote. but the people who did vote for Doug Ford, they’re your best friend and you’re okay with their decision. so you don’t really have any problem with Doug Ford.
Fucking TIL the population of Ontario is 8 billion. Thanks for learning me
i didn’t choose what you chose.
You chose not to vote against the worse option.
You don’t get to try and weasel out of your responsibility that easily.
Wow, you’re a fucking idiot.
want to say that to my face and see what happens?
Oh, you’re so tough. Pretending to fight people on the internet. I’m not intimidated by you. I’m also not childish enough to get into a cockfight with you.
You’re still a fucking idiot though.
Neutrality sides with the winner.
If you didn’t vote, you voted for Ford.
@PhoenixDog nope. if you voted for Ford, then you voted for Ford. if you didn’t vote for Ford, then you didn’t vote for Ford. abstention is not neutrality. words have meaning. you are responsible for your choices, or else you make irresponsible choices.
to be able to vote, you must have a permanent address. everyone who does not have a permanent address because they can’t afford housing, did they vote for Doug Ford? children can’t vote, did they vote for Doug Ford by not being old enough to vote?
why won’t you put the responsibility for having voted for Doug Ford on those who marked a ballot for Doug Ford?
abstention is not neutrality. words have meaning
You’re absolutely right. ABSTENTION is not neutrality. Did you cast a ballot? Even a blank ballot? You can cast what’s called a “ruined ballot” and it still counts as a vote.
Not voting at all, not casting a ballot at all is neutrality, not abstention. Watch any parliamentary preceding. When they take votes, the speaker asks every individual. Those there vote yay or nay. If they don’t, they literally say the words “I abstain”. Then they ask the reps who aren’t there to vote. No one is in the seat to vote.
They are two very VERY different terms.
It’s not that difficult.
Go fucking vote. Vote for your dog. Just vote. Not voting votes for the winner.
You don’t get a pass because you’re too fucking lazy to support democracy. “But I don’t like any party” then vote for an independent. But cast a fucking ballot.
to be able to vote, you must have a permanent address. everyone who does not have a permanent address because they can’t afford housing, did they vote for Doug Ford? children can’t vote, did they vote for Doug Ford by not being old enough to vote?
Let’s at least TRY to be honest. We know the percentage of “voter turnout” vs “eligible voters”. Not a single person who works with Elections counts children and homeless people as “non-voters”. Take that fucking strawman back to the farm field and leave it there.
Just because you want to rationalize people who are eligible to vote not doing so because they’re lazy, uninterested pieces of shit that are literally a bigger problem than Ford and his party… Doesn’t give you a pass.
If people actually WANTED to gain political knowledge, WANTED to vote, Ford wouldn’t still be Premier. But people are lazy, dumb, uneducated, and don’t care.
I’m nearly 40. I’ve voted in every provincial and federal election I could have since I could. I stay connected to politics. I learn. I want to learn. I want to be educated. Because I know politics affects everything from policy to groceries to gas prices to housing to road infrastructure to schools to…
Refusing to participate in democracy is a choice. A shit choice, an uneducated choice, and an ignorant choice.
Correction: charging two people…
— in the same store, in the same plaza, on the same day, at the slightly different times (or not!), discriminating between them algorithmically —
different prices for the same item…
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So much for early 2000s “price matching.”
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So much for benefits to loyal customers.
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So much for knowing your grocery budget.
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So much for the “neighbourhood store.”
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So much for people being anything other than another resource to mine.
Everyone, everywhere is just a “rational consumer” guided by the “invisible hand” and “voting with their dollars” so that “the best products” emerge.
All of these axioms have, in the fullness of time, proven false.
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Doug was getting a lot of PR slack from being “tough on Trump” for awhile there, even on /r/onguardforthee at the time. Disgusted me. Glad he’s getting dragged again, although much like my fellow Albertans I have no faith in Ontario citizens to ever figure it out.
Here is your time to shine, charge conservatives twice as much
So he thinks this Capitalist hell scape we are entering is Socialism got it. Would love to know what he thinks Communism is, is it just a dirty word he does not know like Socialism?
No, he thinks the capitalist hellscape we are leaving behind is socialism, apparently.
So we are entering an even deeper ring of Capitalist hell, is what you are saying?
does he mean communism?
He’s a typical high school drug dealer that somehow failed upward. All he knows is that these are scary words that make people vote for him.
@Eyekaytee @CowsLookLikeMaps he probably doesn’t care what he means. it’s an anti-Semitic dogwhistle.
