If they were actual theologians and not zionists abusing their religion as a cudgel, they wouldn’t be genocidal maniacs. Judaism itself is pretty staunchly against being a murderous bastard.
riiight.
Unless you’re a midianite. Or someone calls you Amalek, then all bets are off isnt that accurate to say? All the descendents of amalak must be killed, regardless of their innocence. Their race is all that matters. Commanded by god to Moses, right.
Every religion has their enemy laid out in scripture; It’s important to see that even if there are “enemies” defined in a religious movement, that all of those people still have the option of living the pacifist variant of their religion.
I personally am an atheist, but i am able to see that there are many religious movements out there that substantially improve the life of people. I - sadly - recognize that the moment you mix religion with nationalism you achieve a mindset where everything that isn’t according to the most hardline shit in your scripture becomes heresy. I simply postulate that theologians free of nationalist impulses tend to be a much more positive influence on society.
Every religion has their enemy laid out in scripture
Actually not really all that true. Its pretty much the Abrahamic religions who designate enemies in their scriptures, and both Muslim and christans sprang from judaism. The other religions focus on balance.
Jainism, Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism, atheism, most Native American religions, and Satanic temple do not have an enemy in their scriptures.
These myths and stories tell people who they are, whats expected of them, and how to act. When your stories are bloodthirsty and include genocide like its no big deal, well, thats the worldview people model their behaviors after. Theres some psychotic stuff in the abrahamic religions.
I was thinking specifically about the abrahamic religions when writing that. There are many religious organizations in that space that really stand by the words “love thy neighbor”, and even if i think that religious belief is akin to a psychosis, i can appreciate those that try to reduce barriers and be there for vulnerable people.
I personally am an atheist. from what i have seen in my life, i have formed the opinion that people living their religion with the intent of being good are actually not harming someone, but are strengthening communities. I sadly have to agree that there are sooooo many people out there using religion as an excuse to abuse and murder.
It’s the same with islam or christianity. if you want to use it to make your world better, you will probably focus on the part where you welcome your neighbor and support your community - many religious communities act this way. But the moment where you start othering people using religion, you aren’t really following your belief anymore, you are using it as a weapon; and if you mix it with a nationalist movement, you get shit like the Zionists or ISIS.
If they were actual theologians and not zionists abusing their religion as a cudgel, they wouldn’t be genocidal maniacs. Judaism itself is pretty staunchly against being a murderous bastard.
AFAIK the actual Jewish theologians of Israel and their followers tend to back the genocidal right.
riiight. Unless you’re a midianite. Or someone calls you Amalek, then all bets are off isnt that accurate to say? All the descendents of amalak must be killed, regardless of their innocence. Their race is all that matters. Commanded by god to Moses, right.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbers_31 (kill all medianites)
https://www.sefaria.org/topics/annihilating-the-memory-of-amalek?sort=Relevance&tab=sources. (kill all amalekites)
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/11/benjamin-netanyahu-amalek-israel-palestine-gaza-saul-samuel-old-testament/
Any of that untrue?
Every religion has their enemy laid out in scripture; It’s important to see that even if there are “enemies” defined in a religious movement, that all of those people still have the option of living the pacifist variant of their religion.
I personally am an atheist, but i am able to see that there are many religious movements out there that substantially improve the life of people. I - sadly - recognize that the moment you mix religion with nationalism you achieve a mindset where everything that isn’t according to the most hardline shit in your scripture becomes heresy. I simply postulate that theologians free of nationalist impulses tend to be a much more positive influence on society.
Actually not really all that true. Its pretty much the Abrahamic religions who designate enemies in their scriptures, and both Muslim and christans sprang from judaism. The other religions focus on balance.
Jainism, Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism, atheism, most Native American religions, and Satanic temple do not have an enemy in their scriptures.
These myths and stories tell people who they are, whats expected of them, and how to act. When your stories are bloodthirsty and include genocide like its no big deal, well, thats the worldview people model their behaviors after. Theres some psychotic stuff in the abrahamic religions.
I was thinking specifically about the abrahamic religions when writing that. There are many religious organizations in that space that really stand by the words “love thy neighbor”, and even if i think that religious belief is akin to a psychosis, i can appreciate those that try to reduce barriers and be there for vulnerable people.
And parts of the Koran tell you to kill anyone who isn’t Muslim. So here we are.
Uh… no? That’s not a thing. All verses of the Quran about killing people are in the context of warfare, which, well, yeah.
You are correct, and yet people should be allowed to practice Islam as long as they aren’t harming others. The same with Judaism and Christianity.
The same with driving a vehicle, owning guns, and consuming alcohol or other drugs. Being part of society demands personal responsibility.
If an individual is failing to be responsible, society should attempt to help them recover stability, rather than punish immorality.
Except when I say the exact same thing as the parent comment, except I switch the religion, I get downvotes. It’s all so stupid.
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Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…
Like okay, you can definitely practice your own religion in a liberatory way…but actual theologians are usually complete wackos.
I personally am an atheist. from what i have seen in my life, i have formed the opinion that people living their religion with the intent of being good are actually not harming someone, but are strengthening communities. I sadly have to agree that there are sooooo many people out there using religion as an excuse to abuse and murder.
It’s the same with islam or christianity. if you want to use it to make your world better, you will probably focus on the part where you welcome your neighbor and support your community - many religious communities act this way. But the moment where you start othering people using religion, you aren’t really following your belief anymore, you are using it as a weapon; and if you mix it with a nationalist movement, you get shit like the Zionists or ISIS.
Minor nitpick: ISIS is explicitly not nationalist. Islamists in general think nationalism is bullshit because it contradicts Islam.
Its a bit like instead of nationalism abusing religion, its religion abusing nationalsim… same same