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      Not even close but at least the crazies are trying to do the right thing. They pointed out that it would violate DTMB’s own policies as written and then they would run into a boatload of compliance issues. And that detail hit the news right before they let it out of the bag…

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      Who told you that? Other Michigan begs to differ. Ha ha ha ah. The doctors, they say something is wrong with our brain!

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      No, please don’t do any of that?!? What is it with this push to isolate children from all resources online?!? Were none of you a kid on the internet? Why are we damning the ostracized and struggling children?

      Please consider the LGBTQ+ kids, neurodiverse kids, kids growing up in regressive households, child abuse survivors, lonely children, and all of the utility that computers decide. Isolating kids from “not approved” voices is a key dream of the Heritage Foundation and the other think-tanks of big tech, corporations, and Christo-fascism.

      No Clue how anyone can support letting the US government of propaganda, queer erasure, burying unpleasant history;have MORE control over kids. They’re already putting PragerU propaganda in schools. Let’s not close off another source of information.

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        Isolating kids from “not approved” voices is a key dream of the Heritage Foundation and the other think-tanks of big tech, corporations, and Christo-fascism.

        These kind of age verification laws meant to silence “not approved” voices are happening in BLUE states. Are you seriously arguing that the Heritage Foundation and “Christo-fascism” have significant voices in places like California, New York, Colorado, Illinois, and Michigan?

        Big Tech is involved because they are tired of getting their balls sued off and are trying to find a way to shield themselves from liability. If it were up to them they’d stick with the system that has been in place for the last 25 years.

        No Clue how anyone can support letting the US government of propaganda, queer erasure, burying unpleasant history;have MORE control over kids.

        Look around you bub, that stuff ain’t being done by the US Government. It’s being done by the States themselves and in this context it’s being done by the so called Progressive Liberals.

        They’re so Progressively Liberal, or Liberally Progressive, that their brains have fallen out of their ass.

        The Internet is meant to be anonymous and have free speech. I mean the US definition of speech too not the ridiculous “Free when we like the message” bullshit that so many simpletons seem to prefer.

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        When I had full, unrestricted, and unmonitored access to the Internet as an underage teen from 2001-2006 I sent nudes and watched videos of super normal things like beheadings. I had sexual “online relationships” with adult men. It’s fun (/s) knowing that CP of myself still exists online. If you want to continue feeding pedos what they want then sure, let them have all the access they want. Based on my experience alone, I fully believe children should NEVER have access to the internet outside of simple and relatively safe websites like maybe YouTube or something like video games to play online with friends. It’s very unfortunate for queer children and I feel deeply for them. I 100% understand your point. But it’s not safe, it’s not ok. They will end up being taken advantage of in some way or another.

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          Really sorry that happened to you. I had a relatively similar experience, though I still believe children should have access to the internet as a whole. I had a home life that made the internet a place of refuge and people took advantage of that, but if it wasn’t via the internet it would’ve likely ended up much worse for me. I think part of the problem is what people consider “kids”. I would not give an 8yr old the entire internet, but by 12-13 I’d feel like access should be pretty wide. Mostly unsupervised but in a shared space. They have the freedom to explore, but an adult is around and could theoretically see what they were doing at any time. 14+ and I would still be talking to them about online safety, but not regularly checking in on them while they’re online. 16+ and it’s a free for all imho.

          Though I had a lot of negative experiences online, the fact I had access to the whole internet meant I was able to independently explore topics I found interesting and really helped me understand myself better and learn so much about the world I never would have known. I grew up around racist religious republicans and as a queer kid I felt alone and confused. I like to think I would still be a good person without all the exposure to amazing people online, but boxing kids into their local social circle in their formative years just dooms some of them. I shudder to think of the kinds of things my less online cohort were doing. They should be able to see what’s out there. I think restricting children’s access to information because there are awful people online really centers the wrong thing. Basing this wide reaching policy on your experience is unfair and does nothing to address the actual problem. Children need better sex ed. They need to know it’s not “bad” to send nudes, but that the person they’re sending them to is a criminal and that person is the “bad” one. They need to have safe people to talk to. Parents need to have more time to spend with their kids. Laws like this are a bandaid and a bad one at that.

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            The Internet saved me too. I was severely abused by my family and talking to other people online helped me through it. I met my husband online (he’s the same age as me lol) and we made a thousand plans for my escape the moment I turned 18 in 2006. The plans worked out :) I’m not sure I’d be alive now if I didn’t have the Internet. It’s a double edged sword that’s for sure.

            But the times have changed and people are more tech ignorant because it’s too easy to access the Internet. I miss when it wasn’t in everyone’s pockets. I can’t imagine the fucked up things I would have done online if I had the Internet in my pocket 24/7

            Also I’d like to add that I have no authority to implement restrictions on anyone outside of my home so my extreme view doesn’t affect anyone. It’s simply my hot take :) I just hope that I have influenced at least 1 person to take a closer look at what their children might be doing online and hopefully restrict if needed.

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              Glad you got out of there and all things considered it seems like your love story is really sweet. Sending lots of positivity your way.

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          I don’t know why you got downvoted. It’s true. Sure it depends a bit on your upbringing, but this is a very real thing a lot of minors deal with.

          I know I did. Tbh I wish I didn’t because now a big deal of a “healthy relationship” for me is one where it’s almost purely physical/sexual.

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          Sure, but there’s a middle ground between full, unrestricted, unmonitored access, and submitting to a surveillance state.

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            I’m not suggesting a surveillance state. I just hope parents would do their job and restrict the Internet. I do not support online surveillance and I do not agree with the new bogus id verification laws. I had a unique experience and I don’t want other children to share it

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        Part of the issue is that it depends on parenting. We are very progressive parents. Our kids still get up to things online that we wish they wouldn’t. Texting nudes and such.

        I want them to have resources but I feel like fully unfettered access is not the right solution either. I lean hard on letting them have the freedom to make choices but sometimes I think I’ve made a mistake.

        We lecture them on grooming and consequences but they are still are teenagers with a limited capacity for evaluating risk and consequences.

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          Our kids still get up to things online that we wish they wouldn’t.

          Remove the word “online” and that sentence is not only still true but it’s been true for Millennia. It doesn’t matter what our beliefs as parents are, our children will always do things we wish they wouldn’t.

          I lean hard on letting them have the freedom to make choices but sometimes I think I’ve made a mistake.

          From one parent to another I honestly believe that that you are doing parenting correctly! You can’t raise children to be responsible and mature adults if they aren’t free to make decisions until after they leave the home. We give them space and training commensurate with their age and ability while they are still kids so that we can teach them and pick them up when they fall.

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        Not arguing no internet connect what so ever. My argument is instead of implementing age verification mandates or other BS “think of the children.” Ideas.

        The argument is that if parents have concerns instead of forcing all of us to go along their should be separate tech made and it is up to the parents to make use of it or not