Income comparisons aside, what the fuck is this “journalism”???
The average new car in the U.S. in March had a list price of $51,456, according to Kelley Blue Book.
In China, there are more than 200 battery-powered models, including hybrids, for sale at less than the equivalent of $25,000, according to DCar, an information and trading platform.
Reuters compiled a list of the five best-selling electric vehicles in China that start under $12,000 using DCar data.
Did they deliberately only look at the cheapest cars to compare to the average American car in order to get their headline? Like I could buy 10 shitboxes from the junkyard for the average price of a new car, but that doesn’t mean much.
Show me how many NEW cars you can buy in the US for less then 25k.
10 seconds on Google shows 3 under $25k, and 9 under $26k. I spent longer typing this comment than finding cheap cars XD
And the article lists 5 Chinese-made electric vehicles that are less than half that.
They would be closer in price if we had made trade agreements that required worker protections consistent with those in the US, instead of trying to bring every country on board with the US’ idiotic copyright laws.
So the headline should read “buys 2 cars in China”? Still a valid criticism.
I mean, I guess it is if you want to pretend that twice as expensive is acceptable instead of addressing the problem.
Addressing the problem of bad journalism? Because that was the criticism.
And the article lists 5 Chinese-made electric vehicles that are less than half that.
Sure, and the best quality stuff comes from TEMU.
Waves hands in vague direction of nearest Cybertruck
Did they deliberately only look at the cheapest cars
Seeing how the highest selling car a few years ago was the Wuling Hongguang, which starts at ~$5k, I don’t think the authors have made any failure. If anything, they’re short of the reality.
Wuling Hongguang
omg it’s so cute
As much as I appreciate the charger “nose”, that’s a bad place to have it if you park close to the wall
As much as I appreciate the charger “nose”, that’s a bad place to have it if you park close to the wall
Chances are because that’s such a small car, there would be ample space to park away from a wall and still remain within a standard car footprint.
omg it’s so cute
I know right?? I hate that we don’t have affordable cutie electric cars like that in Europe :(
I never thought of the nose charger thing, something to consider definitely!
One of my friends has an electric mini thats pretty sweet
I bet it didn’t cost 5k€ though
but I bet it goes fast enough to use on a highway. The Wuling is closer to a Kei car.
Must be nice to live in a country where your vehicle working is a more important consideration than your vehicle making you feel like a big boy.
It’s actually a great place to have the charger, I had a Nissan leaf for a number of years and it’s great not having to worry about the cord reaching when you’re at a public (free) charger.
I have an ioniq now and the charge port on the back quarter panel is the worst place for it, since almost all pull forward parking spots have a cord that doesn’t reach.
I have to awkwardly back into angled forward spots if I want to use the charger, and most fast chargers on the interstate aren’t designed for a back end charge port either, so you kinda have to find a very specific angle to get the car parked to charge.
The middle front works in almost every situation.
omg it’s so cute
And it doubles as a coffin. Pays for itself.
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That sounds like a limitation you could remove by broadening your horizons.
That sounds like some liberal bullshit to me
/j
That is the only reason why I don’t own a Koenigsegg
I’m sorry, i can’t pronounce that, I dont want it.
“I’m ignorant of foreign cultures”
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Then learn how to pronounce it. What the fuck kind of stance is that?
Lol read more and learn? Or get mad and pout?
look at the cheapest cars to compare to the average American car
But then the average American car isn’t even electric…
Yeah, this comparison is terrible they’re purposefully putting an upper limit on price when comparing things. Not to mention that they aren’t even looking at features and range of these cars.
Someone below mentions the “Wuling Hongguang”, the top selling car in China apparently. While it’s cheap, its max speed is 62mph and it has a range around 75 miles. Like of course that’s cheap, and could work in some situations, but that’s not comparable to any car sold in the US.
The more I read into things like this the more I realize that cars are just expensive. Sure China has a wider range of options, but when comparing apples to apples things look more similar than I’d expect.
100% agree, I too could get a car with no speed and range for cheap. Why compare that with something decent, and then brag about price?
These are sweet, and you can drive them on sidewalks! Try that with your Koenniggggsssegggg.
I think they were looking at the average price for a new car. All the new American cars are on the more expensive side
Someone’s gotta pay for all that extra tech that the US Government is going to use to spy on you.
my first thought is how many dozen eggs could you get for the average cost of a dozen eggs over here. things don’t always measure up one to one. I remember people talking about great electronics being tossed in japan or korea.
US average income being 6x China’s was my first thought too, but then I got so fucking angry at how they fudge the numbers they’re looking at for the headline.
This is why we have trade protectionism - tariffs, “made in X” laws, etc. - to ensure capitalists can continue to generate maximized profits, rather than having to compete with Chinese-made cars.
The oft-quoted argument is “well, we need to protect jobs” - well, tax the rich and subsidize it then, if those jobs are so important. Why should the working class pay the cost of protecting jobs (ensuring ongoing production for the benefit of the ruling class) in industries where capitalists continue to maximize profit?
The United States already subsidizes many industries, the idea that the rich capitalists on top of the auto industry (that has been subsidized through bail outs previously) just cannot compete against the subsidies of China’s industry is just capitalist thinking. And look where that’s gotten us.
This is not a pro-China post. I’m Canadian. I’m sick of this current world order.
you could buy 2 us cars for the average price of a us car (2 of the cheapest us cars). seems that China still has cheaper cars, but this article is biased in the title and article for some reason
I wonder how big the gap is if you consider Purchasing Power in China VS US
$1 in the US to $4 in China ($1 LCU/INT in the US vs $4 LCU/INT). Currently, at least … this is based on the top 1000 products vs GDP.
At 120k per year, I would have to make ¥423,906 in China.
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But can’t you also buy 5 American cars for the average price of American car? Just buy used 🤷♂️
fr, I got a pre-owned 2008 Prius in like 2018 for $9k, used it for several years, then sold it to my brother, and it’s still going strong. Used Toyotas ftw!
Keep the car prices high, or its taxes and use the profits to fund public transportation?
What about everyone that’s not in a densely populated area?
That’s where Biden’s infrastructure bill was supposed to help, but it was gutted and then canceled by the Trump administration. Gotta start somewhere and build. Lotta rural areas in China or Europe. Mercedes once had the seat belt and other luxury cars had radar cruise control and it came to more manufacturers. Things have a way of working out.
Yeah, there are people who are living outside of the city because its affordable… Or, you know, you can plant trees in the yard. However… Nearest Costco is 100 years away walking, and or you might not make it a couple of blocks during winter.
bad math.
Average price does not reflect what people actually buy.
Chinese cars abroad are not actually that cheap.
Most sold Chinese car a few years ago was the Wuling Hongguang, starting at about $5k
Most sold model could still be like 3% of total cars sold. There’s a lot of models.
It’s interesting but still not a very good stat. Average or median price would be better
mode != median
That is a glorified golf cart, closer to a rascal scooter. it won’t do highway speeds.
So why aren’t Americans importing these and paying the 100% tariff? Are they stupid?
China doing capitalism better than the US 🫡…America!..Fuck yeah!! 😒
How much is that in big macs??
2 football fields worth
Football football or rugby with padding and helmets to avoid hurting the children football?
The one where they kick and throw the ball and try to get past defenders to the other end
You can buy a supercar made by a video card manufacturer for 30k.
you can buy a motorcycle made by a piano manufacturer for $12K.
on an average 18,000usd/year salary?
Wow, in this case, the cheapest brazillian car can buy a whole fricking frigate of chinese cars
Tariffs.
It doesn’t matter how much it costs, you’re only looking at half of the equation. We need to know how much they can spend each month. If the car can be paid off faster in China then they are doing better. If I used USA’s minimum wage and China’s minimum wage which one would be able to a small percentage of their wages to pay off a car in 10 years, which wins?
That misses the public transport options which are nonexistent on the US (for most practical purposes) for answering which one is “doing better”. From the way people drive, we’d all benefit from not being forced to own a car if we didn’t want to. It should be a premium/luxury product not a necessity for being part of society.
These comparisons are never not stupid:
- Chinese work longer hours. The infamous 996 is real - 9am to 9pm six days per week
- On average american salary is 3 times higher
- Chinese take on much higher health risk from rare earth metals and manufacturing etc. to subsidize this pricing
I think Chinese EVs are awesome but I’d rather pay higher american sticker price but actually lower real cost.
The infamous 996 is real - 9am to 9pm six days per week
As opposed to… totally not being real in the US?
Technically it’s mostly illegal in China, though of course various companies get around that. Average workweek in China is apparently 44.6 hours. This data is far from ideal, as the website itself points out, but at least it gives us some general idea.
According to this source, the Chinese work considerably longer hours than Americans. However, it should also be noted that workers in China get a lot more national holidays and better social protections than workers in the US.
On average american salary is 3 times higher
And everything is on average 6x more expensive. Made up number, but from what I’ve seen the actual one may be higher.
In China, you can eat every meal at a restaurant for as little as 5 USD a day. In the US you may be making 3x more money, but the same food would cost you closer to 75 USD, which is 15 times more expensive.
No tips included, since tipping doesn’t exist outside of burgerland.
Chinese take on much higher health risk from rare earth metals and manufacturing etc. to subsidize this pricing
They mine it for companies all over the planet, including American ones. Everybody buys rare earths from China either because they’re the cheapest or because they’re the only ones available. It’s not like China gets them cheap and the US has to pay 20x more due to safety regulations. Everybody buys them from China for cheap, regardless of their own safety laws.
I think Chinese EVs are awesome but I’d rather pay higher american sticker price but actually lower real cost.
What ‘real cost’ are you referring to here? American cars, not just EVs, are so expensive that almost nobody can afford them. In my country a BYD Dolphin Surf costs 50% less than the cheapest competing car, while still offering better range. How can it be cheaper to buy a more expensive car that performs worse?
Chinese take on much higher health risk from rare earth metals and manufacturing etc. to subsidize this pricing
Never not stupid.
Wait until you learn that you’re a likely a millionaire in a European city if you own a basic house. (which you can’t sell of course, you need it for living)
Housing market is kinda fucked everywhere though.
Yes, but the style of houses we build in Europe make it far worse because they’re more expensive to begin with.
Not sure where you get that claim from. Even here, in the Netherlands, where the housing market is through the roof, it’s not that expensive to own a basic house (maybe it would be in Amsterdam but that’s far from the average european city experience)
Unless “basic” for you means 4 bedrooms in the city center.
It’s not a claim, it’s literally this way in the street I live.
I didn’t go into detail of the location because it affects many of Europe’s main cities. You seem to be in luck.
It is definitely not the average european city experience. For a comfortable one-person appartment (if you want more than one person apartments, then it’s worth is shared between the occupants, of course, and ends up cheaper per person), let’s generously say 70m2, then you’d need the price per square meter to be more than 14k€ for it to be a million euro home.
That’s way above average, unless, again, you’re looking at city centers, which are always going to be expensive no matter the country.
So, if you live in a european city, not in a city center, and your street has housing costs above 14k€ per square meter (even, conservatively, 10k€), then your city is an outlier, not the average experience.
Now I didn’t say average, but thinking of popular cities; but anyhow, I was just casually speaking not doing a real estate discussion here.
So let’s agree to disagree 😂
(we bought for 400k and now it’s 900k, and it wasn’t worth 400k to begin with…)
Well, you’re already saying “we”, which implies you share that net worth with someone else! That’d be 450k/head, and no one is a millionaire!
Divided by two as it mostly is, correct.
Hm… I’m not sure how that is counted usually to be fair. But I’d guess it’s mostly not a solo person.
Buying chinese products are like buying caged eggs
True, in both cases you cannot tell the difference.
Probably because you buy cage free eggs which don’t taste different
Most eggs in the US taste the same. I wish there were good and affordable eggs widely available in the US, but that’s not the case.
I think pasture raised eggs taste considerably better
You wouldn’t be able to tell, because “pasture raised” isn’t a formal definition. Hens are mostly fed the same soy and corn they would eat as if they were “free range”, and having more space to roam doesn’t significantly improve taste, only what they eat does.
We buy them in cartons here.
