I used to be very lackadaisical about my flu vaccines. I’d get them if they came to my office, for example, but I’d never make appointments myself.
Then, about 20 years ago, I had a job where they wanted me to have a note from a doctor if I called in sick. I knew I was sick with something, probably contagious, but I wasn’t feeling very bad. But since I thought it was probably contagious, I didn’t think I should go in. So, that was the first time I went to the doctor for something that I’d call a cold. The doctor ran some tests, and diagnosed me with influenza.
It was at that point that I realized I needed to be careful and make sure I get the flu shot every year. The thought I had was, “I can’t tell the difference between a cold and the flu, but for some people, the flu is deadly. I don’t want to be responsible for somebody else getting gravely sick, so I have to start making an effort to get the flu shot every year.”
Since then, I haven’t gotten that yearly cold that I used to get, which I now know was probably the flu. So, it’s been good for me… but I do it because I don’t want to be the cause for other people suffering.
It’s just so weird, isn’t it? This decision by Pete Hegseth will almost certainly cause some deaths. Even if it’s not the soldiers, maybe it’s their small children. Maybe it’s their parents. Maybe it’s the people they meet when they’re deployed somewhere. We’d literally be better off if we appointed a coma patient rather than Hegseth.
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I appreciate the realization and change of behavior, that’s the mark of a mature person. However, the situation that enlightened you just makes me so God damn mad. Fuck that place, make sure to request a meeting with as many policy makers as possible, open cough in the room, wipe your nose and shake their hand. There is no reason, especially in the shit healthcare environment we have, to require a Drs note for an absence from work. If I have the PTO, great, pay me. If I don’t, fucking thank me for not coming in and getting the rest of the staff sick. Ok toilet rant over thanks again for being a good person.
If it makes you feel any better, I left that company less than 6 months after that incident, and within a few months after I left, it went out of business.
In other countries you’re required to bring a doctor’s note because then you’d get paid time off without spending your “vacation” PTO.
The flu shot is overrated in America, most countries don’t vaccinate people under 55 to save shots for those who need it most.
most countries also have universal affordable healthcare so they can get away with a more lax vaccine schedule
I understand sometimes you need to ration vaccines, but the more people vaccinated the less the flu will spread. All rationing does is ensure those that are unable to be vaccinated have a higher chance of becoming ill.
On a personal note, I’ve had the flu a few times. At least once I got the flu a year I did have the vaccine. That year it was mild. I was sick, but it was manageable. Another time I had the flu with no vaccine and I was terribly sick. I puked for 3 days every time I tried to eat and had a horrible fever. It was awful. After that I’ve gotten the vaccine every year. I’m outside of the “at risk” groups, but I personally don’t want to be that sick
the influenza vaccination strategy generally remains that of protecting vulnerable individuals, rather than reducing influenza circulation or eliminating human influenza infections.
European Center for Disease Control
But what do they know, they are only the European Center for Disease Control and not a Lemmy user.
What? That’s not a statement on the most effective, that’s a statement of current strategy. Which may be all that is practical given current resources.
Which per your source is the case.
vaccination based on country-specific epidemiology, burden of disease, cost-effectiveness, feasibility, capacity and resources.
But scientifically the best way to protect most of the population is to vaccinate as many people as possible. This provides protection to people that are unable to be vaccinated due to other health conditions.
Like come on you didn’t even understand what you posted
I know what I posted, it’s a statement regarding the strategy of most EU countries. Meaning, even if I wanted I can’t get the vaccine because I’m under 55, do you suggest I buy it on AliExpress or what?
What? That’s also not what I said. I just said I like getting it and it would be better if more people could.
If you think that’s a suggestion to get a aliexpress flu vaccine that’s on you
Hey RFK - can you fuck off for like, a minute?
Hey RFK - can you fuck off
for like, a minutepermanently?FTFY
It’s not like there’s shortage of flu shots
On an aircraft carrier they sleep 100 people per room in bunks stacked 3 high with 30 inches of height per person.
Flu / measles / covid would rip through that environment like a wildfire.
Covid did that on one of the aircraft carriers, so bad that the CO defied orders to not deboard his sailors, and got fired for it. He probably saved hundreds of lives.
[He] got fired for it. He probably saved hundreds of lives.
Those two statements should not go together and I hate that they do.
True, but I prefer them to make that learning with a bunch of young, healthy men with healthcare instead of old people. I mean, if they are even able to learn something.
They are literally unlearning what we already know (I assume it’s mostly for propaganda reasons, but maybe I’m giving them too much evil credits on the evil-vs-dumb scale).
They seem to need a refresher from time to time.
A lot of people also don’t realize there’s different kinds of flu that the flu shot covers. If you influenza B or C you might feel a bit cruddy and pass that along but be mostly ok over all. If you get influenza A or some other baddie novel version be prepared to be knocked on your ass for days with a fever over 100 feeling like death and infecting anyone in a 30 yard radius. I got flu A once and that’s enough to know I never want to do that again, 103 fever for days and it broke like 12 hours before my doctor said I would need to go to the hospital if it didn’t come down. It’s scary shit
My experience of a bad flu was that firstbI felt bad, then I started worrying I was gonna die, and finally to worrying I was not going to die just had to live like that.
I was also coughing up leftover shit for like 2 months after getting over it.
Virologists dream scenario
I mean to be fair George Washington was literally Br*tish.
This rabbit hole just keeps going deeper and deeper… what else have they been hiding from us!? Next they’ll tell us the Founding Fathers read political philosophy and other nerd shit instead of being divinely inspired 😭
i bet someone’s gonna say something crazy like that bicameralism was an Iroquois innovation
I mean that’s not that crazy of a claim, just mostly incoorect. The Six Nations had the matriarchs that made all the rules for peacetime and decided when they went to war, and they had the War Chiefs that handled the Braves and led the hunting parties. It’s kinda a bicameral system, at least there were definitely two separate groups that dealt with different aspects of life. Ultimately the matriarchs were in charge though, so that pretty well throws out the idea of a bicameral system.
so we’re clear, that actually is my claim. it is a form of bicameralism. as i recall the men did have some legislative proposal powers. i’ll need to crack a book again thought
The men did, but in my understanding the women had ultimate veto power. If the war chief’s ceremonial beads hit the ground, that’s a death/banishment sentence. They’d give you two chances to stop doing whatever they didn’t approve of, but ultimately if the women said no 3 times, you’re a dead man.
The only reason that I don’t consider that a bicameral system is that while the men may have been elected, the women were just all the women that lived to a certain age.
That would be strange considering English bicameralism predates the European discovery of the Americas.
the great law of peace was established around 900 CE. english bicameralism was etablished in 1341 CE. both had influences on US bicameralism
the great law of peace was established around 900 CE. english bicameralism was etablished in 1341 CE.
The Iroquois Confederacy is generally accepted to have been established in the 14th or 15th century AD, and possibly as late as the 17th century AD. No source I’m aware of suggests the 9th or 10th century AD.
both had influences on US bicameralism
The suggestion of serious Iroquois influence on the structure of the US government is extremely dubious.
i’ve never known any historian cite any date later than 1190 for the great law of peace with 1102 being the most commonly cited date. however indigenous historians tend to place the date earlier than european scholars and the commonly accepted date keeps shifting backwards toward those indigenous dates as we perform more archaelogical digs that confirm the oral record as being roughly accurate. i’d say late 1000s is probably the most likely
i won’t get into the debates about whether or not the Haudenosaunee Confederacy influenced the eurocentric ideals of the US founding fathers. scholarship is very split on the notion with Donald Grinde arguing it was the most influencial framing system on the constitutional congress, Jack Rakove arguing against all influence, and Charles Mann arguing for predominantly european influence with some indigenous influence (this is where i view things since the colonists, Iroquois, Cherokee, Creek, and Chocktaw were frequently engaged in complicated systems of alliances). all this to say you find scholarship arguing against all influence the most compelling and i accept that this is a serious good faith position to take.
i’ve never known any historian cite any date later than 1190 for the great law of peace
You mention Donald Grinde later in this comment, who notes later dates than 1190, as late as the 17th century.
i won’t get into the debates about whether or not the Haudenosaunee Confederacy influenced the eurocentric ideals of the US founding fathers. scholarship is very split on the notion with Donald Grinde arguing it was the most influencial framing system on the constitutional congress, Jack Rakove arguing against all influence, and Charles Mann arguing for predominantly european influence with some indigenous influence (this is where i view things since the colonists, Iroquois, Cherokee, Creek, and Chocktaw were frequently engaged in complicated systems of alliances). all this to say you find scholarship arguing against all influence the most compelling and i accept that this is a serious good faith position to take.
It’s a popular position amongst some, but I find it extremely dubious for multiple reasons. I think that in large part it’s an attempt to make the Iroquois Confederacy’s government structure part of the legacy of the US government. But that misses the point that the Iroquois Confederacy’s government structure is valid on its own accomplishments, without needing to be tacked on to the later Anglo government to be noteworthy and impressive.
Why did the Br*ts name him after an American city though? 🤔
Georgetown?
Weighs a fucking ton
I’ll give it 5 years. The rulers will make modern medicine so difficult to get, most of us will just give in and settle for homeopathy and horse drugs.
That’s how Russia works
Small pox is quite different from the flu lol
So is the treatment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inoculation
For smallpox, they’d infect a break in your skin, deliberately. With actual smallpox. It was less likely to kill you, but absolutely possible and quite miserable.
But principle is the same. Outbreaks dramatically weaken war fighting capabilities, even if it’s “just” influenza. The history of warfare is littered with thousands of examples. For instance:
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/history-disease-outbreaks-vaccine-timeline/flu
…Which is why this is so egregious. Vaccination (compared to smallpox inoculation) is trivially easy in comparison to the decision Washington faced, and influenza has a long, grim history in the US military. No sane general would throw away such an easy, and historic, warfighting advantage.
Young, well fed, healthy troops do not suffer from the flu
Young, well fed, healthy troops do not suffer from the flu
… are you being fucking serious right now.
Yes, it’s a little known fact that viruses have an age range check. If you don’t pass, they legally can’t enter your body.
…Yet young, well fed, healthy troops will suffer from the flu vaccine?
… Do you know what influenza even is? Are you mistaking it for the common cold? I’ve noticed a lot of people who disparage the flu and the flu vaccine think that it’s just another word for the common cold everyone gets every year.
While unlikely to die, it can easily render them incapable of fighting or training for a week or so, and less effective for a around twice that long.
Saying “healthy people don’t get sick” is either profoundly ignorant, or a self fulfilling tautology, since once you’re sick your quite obviously not healthy.
In any case, there’s no dimension where the flu vaccine isn’t several order of magnitude less disruptive than the disease.
lol no. All kinds of people get sick with the flu.
it’d be really funny if you got hospitalized with regular ass influenza rn
I’d probably not be young or well fed or healthy…
Wow, congratulations, you managed to put both your socks on all by yourself this morning! You’re very smart.
Young, well fed men and women suffer from the flu every day lol. What are you smoking?
Smokers probably suffer from the flu
Just like everyone else my guy. Just to remind you, the Influenza pandemic killed hundreds of thousands if not millions of well fed, young, healthy soldiers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
Yeah and maybe if more people got flu vaccines we could get rid of it like we did smallpox.
Vaccines work regardless of the illness.
“Jimmy Carter is smarter…”.
“Literally chewed gum swimming in dog poop is better than pretty much any of the various clowns claiming to be Republican”.
Just two sayings.
Well, flu vaccine is indeed a very complex topic. Effectiveness fluctuates from season to season and it is recommended by WHO for kids, elderly, severely sickened individuals.
It’s recommended for critical demographics especially by the WHO because of limited availability in some contexts and greater risks for said demographics, not because flu shots aren’t recommended for non-critical demographics.
I recommend reading about the so called “Spanish Flu”. It cilled several million, mostly young and healthy people. Good luck if your army caches this type of flu during war.
No offense, but leave this condescending tone to your kids.
