• cmbabul@lemmy.world
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    7 days ago

    This is both accurate and upsetting, and a step further, had he lost in 16, to anybody. I don’t think he’d have had a chance in 20 if he even ran.

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      7 days ago

      A democrat would have been torn apart over COVID no matter how they handled it.

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        Yeah, but then we would’ve just gotten a regular old run-of-the-mill jerk-off Republican like Romney or Jeb next, and we would have spent the next 4-8 years saying “holy shit, this guy is so awful, how could it be any worse,” just blissfully unaware.

        How do I immigrate to that timeline?

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        No way. A strong response against COVID would have been an easy win.

        Remember at the beginning of COVID, when Trump was asked “What do you say to Americans who are scared?” A softball question so soft that it would melt in a cup of hot chocolate. Literally any president ever would have a historic soundbite as an answer. George W. Bush would have sounded like the most presidential motherfucker you’ve ever heard.

        Trump said: “I say you’re a terrible reporter.”

        So I think Trump’s response to COVID was uniquely disastrous to him on every level. The fact that anyone ever took him seriously will continue to be a national and historical embarrassment.

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          Yeah, I still believe that if he had said, “Listen to Dr. Fauci here, and buy my 2020 Trump hats,” he would have coasted to an easy win that year.

          But his own arrogance wouldn’t let him do that, of course.

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          Dude, they couldn’t even keep Trump’s second term out of the way. The good ol’ centrist Democrats were even energizing people for a couple months and shut it all down in favour of supporting Israel and having Harris spend more time with Liz Cheney than her own running mate.

          You’re spot-on that folks outside the US think the country is an embarrassing failure, though. Just a bunch of toddlers, cowards, and sychohants.

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          6 days ago

          Oh, Trump was a disaster, don’t get me wrong. But we could have had 1000 deaths under President Hillary and the entire media would have been calling it the worst disaster in the history of America. And without Trump to compare it to we never would have known how bad it could be.

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        7 days ago

        I think you’re right to a degree, I do think Covid wouldn’t have been AS bad as under Trump. And the GOP still could’ve marched right into a win in 2020, but those years prior when he was president were still extremely damaging to both the sanity and structure of this country. The Supreme Court nominees alone would leave us in a wildly different state not to mention everything else he did to fan the flames of xenophobia and bigotry

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          The issue is that doing the right thing and doi g the popular thing are often two different things. Covid almost certainly would’ve been better under Democrat control. It very well could cost them politically though. You can’t really compare hypothetical deaths to actual ones, so they wouldn’t have a number to tell people they saved. A lot of people would have just complained that they’re being forced to do things they don’t like, even if it’s good.