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Capitalism staying on track to kill us all in the most banal, default, BAU way possible.
Perhaps someone could publish it for him?
That’s because if they publish it, they will have to explain why they’re not doing enough about it.
- Fat majority in parliament
- Mandate for change
- Predecessor hated for being “more of the same”
- “Burnham Bounce”
- Just had a summer of extreme weather.
- 80% of UK population want more/faster action on climate.
If no help is coming from the government now, I doubt it’s going to happen any time soon.
If no help is coming from the government now, I doubt it’s going to happen any time soon.
I hope one day people will realize that the only way to enact change is to become the government, not vote for one. No one wants to spend years building a political career to do what you want.
The people who need to hear it have already gone back to brunch.
I feel like every story I hear out of the UK lately is some weird combination of stupid and vaguely dystopian.
Are things ok over there?
Mate, I lived in Britain for over a decade as an EU immigrant and until Brexit, and by the time I left I firmly believed the UK was the European nation most likely to turn Fascist in the coming 2 decades.
So far it seems to be on schedule.
No
Nope!
No. They’re a mess. Brexit was a mess. Their politics are a mess. The royal family is a mess. Their culture is a mess. Their economy is a mess. Their climate is a mess. They’re not ok, but there’s not really anything we can do for them, so… I guess they’re on their own, like the rest of us. They’ll have to figure their shit out, pronto, or fall into chaos, which seems more likely what everyone is going to end up doing around the world. I wish them luck. They’ll need it. We’ll all need it.
They have First Past The Post like the US only without a written Constitution so a simple Parliamentary majority (achievable with 34% of the votes) allows making and changing ANY law.
Then on top of that Jingoism in that country is relentlessly pushed by the media and politicians. It isn’t as in your face as in the US thanks to the whole Posh cultured amongst the upper and upper-middle classes that control it, but it’s there alright, done through constant cherry-picking, framing, one-sided used of loaded words and other such Manufacturing Consent techniques.
Oh, and by the way, news media was, according to a survey some years ago, “the least trusted in Europe”.
This shit we’re seeing now (and Brexit, and even earlier shit like how the biggest number of cases of Financial crime discovered after the 2008 Crash was in Britain, though Britain also prosecuted the smallest fraction of such cases) isn’t something that suddenly appeared, rather it’s the product of decades relentless manipulation, posh sleaze and British elites pillaging the wealth of the rest.
Honestly the UK is fine. I don’t have any great love for it, it isn’t glamorous And I was happier the 10 years I lived in central Asia but even on a bad day the UK is safer, more stable and easier to live in than the vast majority of countries and it has been that way for more than a thousand years. None of the things you mention have any significant impact on day to day living. British people are allergic to drama and will muddle through whatever happens.
“Know your place”
“Maintain an stiff upper lip”
“Keep calm and carry on”
What do you mean their culture is a mess? Frankenstein? Tolkien? The Beatles? Heavy blues? Heavy metal? Hard rock? Punk?
That is not really the kind of culture I was referring to, would “social climate” perhaps make it clearer? But even if that were what I meant, is any of that even from this century?
Bruh… Orwell literally wrote about how authoritarian the British government was in the 50s. Of course 1984 was highly exaggerated at that point, but the point still stands.
No, the world’s former premier colonizer is not okay. All that shit they did is turning inwards, just like in US. Not saying the common person deserves is, unlike weird tankies fetishizing suffering of the west as some kind of karmaic justice. The Global South is still suffering too. No one is having a good time.
Mate, after seeing and hearing all the arguments for the Leave Referendum and subsequent Brexit up close and personal as an EU immigrant in Britain, the “common person” there definitely deserves this shit.
The country is so ridiculously Jingoist that even the Remainers arguments were “We should stay in the EU and change it from the inside” (i.e. “We know best and the rest of Europe should follow us”). It was incredibly rare to hear somebody wanting to stay in the EU because “together we’re strong” or “we should cooperate for the common good”.
So, yeah, even many if not most Remainers deserve this shit.
I’ll give some of the “change it from the inside”ers, the benefit of the doubt that they were going for swing votes.
The Russians spent a lot of time and money convincing the UK rubes to leave too, but they still fell for it.
I was there: the cunts pushing that shit the hardest were born and bred posh British politicians and they were given plenty of airtime and newspaper space for literally decades, well before the actual Referendum.
Blaming Russia is just more of the usual “blame foreigners” scapegoating. In fact, “blame the EU” use to be the most common way to excuse the problems in their country until Brexit.
First step to solve the problem is admit you have a problem, not blame everybody else.
Are things ok anywhere?
There was a pretty good day localized to my apartment yesterday 🤷🏻
Did you not even have to use your AK?
Nope! Plus nobody I know got killed in South Central LA
Did that good day require drugs though?
Only coffee 😁
I don’t feel like any progress has been made in the past 25 years. Progress in some areas is offset by complete fuck ups in other areas
Modern civilization’s greatest failure, earth’s climate. Not a failure of science, but of control structures, failures of governments to act on humankind’s behalf.
It only looks like a failure to act democratically if you miss that the democratic facade is only there to maintain capitalist rule.
I’d go as far as to say it’s the lack/deficiency of empathy. We still think like back in tribal communities, and technology has advanced much faster than us, socially.
We either pick up the pace fuckin’ fast or we’ll be the victim of our own selfishness.
It’s the tragedy of the commons.
The difference between stupidity and genius is, genius has a limit.
Greatest failure SO FAR!
This Labour government comes in at a close second though, as far as greatest failures go
I mean fuck the British government, but how much more explosive-then-ignored can those reports get. Extremely depressing to see the already way too permissive 1.5%-target get pushed up to 2.8% or whatever.
I agree with your point, but I suppose the reason they want to sit on the report is so they don’t get accused of ignoring the advice that the report they commissioned recommended.
I think it is probably just too dark. The is no point scaring the horses if you can’t or won’t do anything about the threat.
Oh sure, mine was just a side remark wrt this article.
pushed up to 2.8% or whatever.
That’s optimistic, here’s Bill McGuire on the issue
All of them are almost cynical compromises that then get thrown around as hard goals humanity must achieve, when really they’re meant as “the absolute minimum to prevent catastrophe”.
AMOC shutting down and -35 to -50ºC winter temperatures in the next 80 years?
Worst case of course.
Yeah… Europe will soon find out how great they had things at such a high latitude.
Aka what being on the edge of the Arctic Circle feels like without AMOC.
The UK cannot escape from reality. The effects of climate change from drought to intense rain will be evident.
C’mon, this is the Brexit nation we’re talking about: the whole thing was sold to the Brits with arguments such as “when we leave the EU will give us all the rights of member states without the obligations because we’re such an important market for German car makers”.
If there is one thing Brits are good at, is denying Reality.
And freezing. UK will freeze. And lose a lot of land.
Neolib climate killers.
Emeritus Professor Bill McGuire gives a good precies here
The UK’S emissions are a drop in the ocean compared to various other nations, our marginal contribution is minuscule
Australians say the same garbage. This attitude scales.
Sure, but that’s a complete cop out.
Let’s say every nation produced exactly the same amount of emissions. There are about 200 nations in the world, so the best any nation could hope to do by itself is reduce worldwide emissions by about half a percent. If every nation took the same view, no reductions would ever get made.
As its stands, the UK produces about 0.81 percent of emissions, so they’re still polluting more than their fair share.
Maybe they’re worried how extreme emigration would get if people knew what the UK was going to look like? Think of the flood of capital out.
Edit: to make it clear: emigration is when people leave a country.
we make tea with wee when it’s bad.
He doesn’t want to yell “Fire!” in a crowded theatre.
He’s not. He’s the one locking the doors when there actually is a fire.
Sorry. There are two possible meanings for the idiom “don’t yell fire in a crowded theatre”:
The benevolent is to avoid a crowd’s panic. The selfish is to make your exit first, before the crowd’s panic.
I’m not close enough to British politics to say one way or another. But the idiom fits either way.
Incidentally the trope of people panicking and causing more mayhem is false.
The idiom “don’t yell fire in a crowded theory” only applies when there is no fire.
It’s usually brought up in free speech arguments, and the question is if triggering a panic which could kill people by causing them to be trampled underfoot (from back in the day when people actually responded appropriately to the risk of fire which we have since lost in the days of fire codes and controls) in the absence of an actual fire is a free speech right.
Traditionally yes. It has taken on new meaning over time. I’ve had many conversations with all sorts of people high and low where the double-entendre is clear if not explicit.
Edit: I should add that its within the context of corporate, civil and military disaster management planning. The public remains largely unaware, ignorant while many insiders throughout various institutions know how bad and how quickly things can get. Those who know often want to make their moves, before the public catches on, therefore like to muddy the message.
Classic example are investors talking their book. By the time you read about an opportunity in the G&M, FT etc, the insiders have already made the trades and the public is now their exit strategy.
In the UK, in the context of climate change, look up LifeBoat Ethics. You’ll see where this new usage of an old idiom is going.
I’m still absorbing literally to mean figuratively and continue to use adverbial forms. Jonathan Swift wrote a story about me.
Jonathan Swift wrote a story about me.
Did he want rich people to eat you?
That, too, but I was thinking of a story about a country where people live a thousand years and nobody can understand the seniors because their language is aniquated and they can’t understand younger generations.
More like he doesn’t want to vindicate the people who’ve been screaming their lungs out for the last decades, while being victimized and brutalized.
