So in other words, he’s nowhere near a deal.
Putin: “What? No one called me.”
Congress needs to drop the hammer on this.
To Zelensky and all of Europe: feel free to ignore him—he’s now a lame duck. Just lead him along until January.
It’s friday, so it’s the weekly stock manipulation for the weekend.
Kinda weird to not have Zelensky in that conversation.
I’m sure that handing him over to the Russians is part of the deal.
Probably the same sort of deal that happened last time Moscow made a deal with Nazis.
The deal is between Putin and Trump, Europe isn’t invited either.
You know, because Trump and Putin think they can split up the world between them or something.Molotov ribbentrop didn’t include Poland either.
haha what about Europe man! there’s plenty of people here!
Well, yeah, but Zelensky and Putin are the heads of the two warring nations so it makes the most sense to have both of them if nobody else.
But he claims the deal regards all of Europe too.
Trump claims all kinds of things. Let’s see what actually transpires.
Yeah Trump is full of shit, and this is no exception.
Or Europe
Only if you believe anything trump says
I don’t believe a word he says, but I also know that he will do just about anything to please Putin such as cutting Zelensky out of peace talks.
He has done that before, with little effect.
Of course. He admires Putin greatly and that alone would dictate 90% of his actions and words regarding Ukraine
I presume it’s the same kind of deal Stalin and Hitler forged about Poland.
It involved a bit more than just Poland.
So why would Putin sign it if he knows that the US will keep pushing to break up Russia?
It’s interesting to see the divergence of people eating Russian propaganda to the MAGA propaganda.
But I’ll bite for a second - when has any US official spoken about breaking up Russia? (Not USSR)
A National Security Advisor wrote this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Chessboard
But it is not so important what they write but what they do. The US wage illegal wars and military operations and do regime changes for resources, like Iraq, Venezuela, Argentina. Russia is an inevitable target with its resources.
Putin has offered cooperation until 2001 and beyond, but the West has stalled. Why would anybody do that and avoid world peace if not for hostile reasons?
The west has been cooperating with Putin since he first got into power 25 years ago and was sending over 150 billion dollars a year Russia’s way for those resources. Do you put as much foreign policy weight into Medvedev’s recent threats to nuke the UK as you do some dude who was Jimmy Carters national security adviser 50 years ago in his book published 30 years ago.
You are eating up Putin’s anti west “The west are trying to steal Russia’s resources, it’s certainly not me and the rest of the Russian oligarchs doing it right under your noses” propaganda.
The only one avoiding peace is Putin who invaded Ukraine remember?
sending over 150 billion dollars a year Russia’s way for those resources.
That’s just market value and not a form of support. It’s more an argument for why the West has a motive to take over Russia than it is an argument against it.
Do you put as much foreign policy weight into Medvedev’s recent threats
That’s apples to oranges. One is the overall strategy and the other is the last option. Without the Western threat there would be no need for nukes. It all starts with US resource wars. The rest is consequences.
You are eating up Putin’s anti west “The west are trying to steal Russia’s resources, … propaganda
Calling it propaganda doesn’t make it wrong. Is the West not stealing resources globally? Why would Russia be spared?
The only one avoiding peace is Putin who invaded Ukraine remember?
Which would put Russia at the receiving end of a hybrid war until it is dissolved.
That’s just market value and not a form of support.
Why would the EU be sending 150 billion as a form of support, why do you feel entitled to free money? Russia was selling the EU resources and became rich enough over the last decade to start a war with Ukraine and have enough money in the bank to ride out the first 4 years of sanctions.
One is the overall strategy and the other is the last option. Without the Western threat there would be no need for nukes. It all starts with US resource wars. The rest is consequences.
No it is not the overall strategy, just the opinion of one dude who served in government 50 years ago. Medvedev is a current member of Russia’s ruling party. The fact that Russia has nukes means they have no reason to fear invasion because of mutually assured destruction. No one is planning on invading Russia. Russia is the one currently waging a resource war against Ukraine as well as stealing gold and diamonds while providing protection to African warlords. Russia is currently doing what you claim the west is planning on doing to Russia.
Which would put Russia at the receiving end of a hybrid war until it is dissolved.
The only ones coveting a piece of Russia are the 100 million Chinese on the border of Russian Manchuria. The Chinese leadership does not forget the last of the unequal treaties. This will be Chinese land again soon.
Why would the EU be sending 150 billion as a form of support
The west has been cooperating with Putin since he first got into power 25 years ago and was sending over 150 billion dollars a year Russia’s way
That sounded like they were supporting Russia, not just doing business.
Russia was selling the EU resources and became rich enough
As did Germany and the EU from using the gas which allows them to finance the war for Ukraine. Usually the processing companies make the bigger profits.
just the opinion of one dude
Who is highly decorated. There are the notes from chancellor Kohl that at least Germany had no intention of including Russia despite telling Russia something else. If the West wouldn’t think like that dude we would have behaved differently.
as well as stealing gold and diamonds while providing protection to African warlords.
For the most part Russia works for the elected governments, unlike the West. In which country are they stealing?
The fact that Russia has nukes means they have no reason to fear invasion because of mutually assured destruction.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_Starshield
We are starting to continue where the disarmament interrupted the arms race.
The Chinese leadership does not forget the last of the unequal treaties.
Neither will they forget the opium wars and the eight nation alliance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-Nation_Alliance
As long as the US is not willing to let China become the hegemon once they have the better technology, Russia and China will be best friends.
If you look at how poor and sick people live in the US, isn’t becoming part of the US empire the bigger threat?
I see the data centers are back up
So use them and come up with a good argument if you can only insult me when you are on your own.
You should come back to reality so we can understand what you’re saying
What’s there not to understand? The link shows that there are people thinking about how to break up Russia and if you look at American foreign politics it’s clear that countries cannot rely on the US not attacking them.
The fact you think the US would invade Russia for natural resources is inconsistent with reality
If the US had any desire to invade, they would have done so in 1991
They didn’t because of many reasons, but the simplest to understand is: nukes
You’re trying to argue natural resources would drive the US to do so, but that’s entirely irrational. If the US were is invade any major country for natural resources, it would be Canada. They have far more than Russia, with much less of a military, and no nukes
There is no situation where the US would attack Russia for natural resources. It’s not in their interest, even ignoring negative externalities from other countries
The fact you think the US would invade Russia for natural resources is inconsistent with reality
The US wage illegal wars and military operations and do regime changes for resources, like Iraq, Venezuela, Argentina.
The US financed NGOs. It looks like bringing freedom until one remembers the homeless and uninsured in the US. Yeltsin was supported against the Communists. The US almost were im control.
There is still an invasion looming because how else can the US contain China? That makes Nato rockets in Ukraine tricky.
but the simplest to understand is: nukes
Which is changing with SpaceX Starshield.
If the US were is invade any major country for natural resources, it would be Canada.
Canada is part of the Western sphere. No need to invade. They can get controlling stocks in companies. Many international mining companies are based in Canada.
There is no situation where the US would attack Russia for natural resources.
Not a direct attack but the North Stream pipeline explosion allows the US to sell expensive fracking gas to the EU.
The US don’t fight for the resources but for the influence. They don’t need the oil in the middle east for themselves.
They need them for sanctions, like the ones against Iran and Cuba. China cannot be isolated if they have access to Russian resources.
On behalf of Europe and Ukraine, can I say ‘fuck off’. He’s such a lying scumbag.
Any deal, if you believe it all, like the deal with Iran, would not benefit Europe nor Ukraine but only Putin.
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On behalf of Europe and Ukraine, can I say ‘fuck off’.
Tough talk but European representatives are too cowardly to even admonish Trump, let alone tell him to fuck off. Like Denmark completely folding over Greenland and signing an appeasement deal.
Read the deal they signed, don’t believe Trump’s lies about it. It’s similar to the previous deal, but with a smaller US presence in Greenland going forward. And it includes an explicit acknowledgement of Denmark’s soveriegnty over Greenland.
I have read it, and it’s not some 4d chess move by Denmark. Trump’s claims of victory are besides the point, Denmark shouldn’t have even entertained his threats or gone to the negotiating table. It just reinforces Trump’s belief that he can strongarm anyone. European leaders grovelling has been truly embarrassing in general, spineless leadership.
Trump’s claims of victory are besides the point
My point was that those are a lie. You’ve provided nothing concrete to contradict that.
Ohhh he is hallucinating again, poor guy
Given his advancing dementia, he may well have not even spoken to Putin. He was talking about imaginary meetings right after being sworn in and he’s a shitload worse off now.
Or he’s just lying again.
Grok tells him he’s a very special boy, though.
So they’re deciding who gets what, I presume?
Trump wants Sudetenland.
Trump can’t even spell Sudetenland.
That’s why he wants it. So he can change the name to Trumpland.
Sure, Jan.
Lame duck loser pedophile can shut the fuck up. Adults are in charge now and we can get the full Epstein files. Still think you can pretend to “lead” when your dirty deads are public?
He will lie about it until the day he dies, which is hopefully in a prison cell
lol. Doubt the democrats will do anything material, but the optimism is refreshing I suppose.
As usual, the grifter sells things he never owned.
The new blue congress better say:
“Try it.” And see how far he gets when the regime can’t pay anyone.
