Where does it say this is limited to capitalist societies?
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Insane how this is downvoted when you look at the responses. 🤡🤥
Nobody is making any kind of valid argument that this would be different in a non capitalist society.
Nobody is making any kind of valid argument that this would be different in a non capitalist society.
Because they cannot.
Else they should admit that what they consider better than capitalism have the exact same problems, if not worse, that simply are shown in a different way. Or just totally hidden.
Exactly, some people are absolutely delusional, and even think there are better systems than democracy, when such a system has never been shown to actually work.
Still they have 100% faith as if it is a religion, or Russian propaganda.
You think you have had real democracy in your life? Lol.
How much money have you donated to politicians’ campaigns you wanted to see win? 100$? 1000$? A million+? That will never be enough to compete against the billions of the top 1%. How many TV ads have you paid for your favorite candidate? 0? You will never sway people as effectively as I don’t know, AIPAC did for decades for example. Sure, there are exceptions rising up, like Zohran and El-Sayed, but that’s it? There are dozens and thousands of countries, States and cities that claim to be “democracies” in the world, including my own country/State/City, Mexico, Tamaulipas, which is lowkey ran by the cartel. Do you really think we are a democracy despite what they say? Or what the Jeffrey Epstein Class that run us all say? You think we want these motherfuckers that appear out of nowhere?
Do you even know where did Kamala, Biden, Trump, Obama, George came from at all? With Zohran and El-Sayed you can see their journey, from when they were nobodies up to the influence they command on people now. But what about all those presidents you have had? Who the fuck are those people? Some random Ivy League frat boys that probably drugged and raped women in college? Who the hell gave them the money to be on national TV everyday? It was clearly not you, so. All this time, you have always been forced to elect either politician A which appeals to empathy, or politician B which appeals to sympathy, both with a touch of apathy for the other, both ready to answer for the interests of the top 1% before ours.
You say we are “delusional for even thinking there are better systems than democracy, when such a system has never been shown to actually work” are you talking about communism? Or socialism? Because everyone already knows the top capitalistic countries never allowed them to succeed. Why would they allow that? It’d show everyone that capitalism and this fake democracy you think is better are actually worthless. We Mexico want the US gone. You never dismantled the Iron River, which is only getting 30,000+ innocents killed every year (to me, it’s millions. Imagine the ambience of fear, depression, violence… All those 30,000 people had families too, which are now permanently traumatized, lives ruined. That’s a lot of pain you never hear or pay attention to because they rarely make it to the news, they are not as “sensational” for them to broadcast as other things), all because of the US’ gun culture and psychopathy of allowing thousands of people to die just to make more money. Keep us in fear so we work for you for cheap, and if we disobey you or get out of line, you deport us and treat us like slaves, like shit. Fuck that. Fuck your system, fuck your world. It fucking sucks. We rather have China as a neighbor than you now, even if you are not American or from the US. At least they did not elect a pedophile, and they don’t have a gun culture like the USA’s that is only getting thousands of South Americans and Middle Eastern people killed in the name of profit. You love making money selling guns, bullets and bombs to the Mexican cartels exclusively, not us. The USA armed and empowered the cartels, and then they complain about us opining about them, they tell us “to focus on our own country, to fix our home” but we cannot, because cartels are heavily armed and we are not, all thanks to Americans.
And here you are, still defending the dumbass system that is keeping this reality alive for us. You don’t give a fuck about the innocent. You only give a fuck about you and what makes you feel comfortable. I remember a Blue/Red MAGA whom I slapped with this argument, you know what was their last cope? It was so sad, so petty… He said: “Well. Did you know there are interests of the billionaires that overlap with ours’, right?” Dude thought that was an infallible gotcha. Like, bro. Stop being a bunch of serfs and have some fucking respect for yourself already. Learn how to value yourself as a human being who can do art and express things. You should already be aware that you never had democracy, that you never had freedom. Why the fuck haven’t you woken up yet? That little do you value yourself? That little you care about yourself? Are you gonna keep coping in a corner that maybe this system and world you live in are beautiful, or are you going to help build that beauty? Because fuck, it almost sounds like you want us to comply and just keep following the rules of the Jeffrey Epstein Class, or what do you mean there is no better system than this “democracy” you think you have?
Capitalism and democracy should never be mixed together.
How much money have you donated to politicians’ campaigns you wanted to see win? 100$? 1000$? A million+?
Nothing, I live in Denmark, and it is very uncommon to donate to politicians here. The candidates campaigns are run by party money paid by membership fees. And all represented parties receive money from the state.
Do you even know where did Kamala, Biden, Trump, Obama, George came from at all?
Admittedly only Obama because of the stupid birth certificate thing Trump pushed. But IMO that is not the most relevant thing, the thing that is relevant is their policies. Just look at J. D. Vance, he came from a poor family, but is among the worst of the worst. Growing up in an ordinary household is no guarantee. Keep your eye on the ball, don’t get distracted by things of little relevance.
are you talking about communism? Or socialism?
Not exclusively, but they are included. Many people thought communism would be ideal, until it was tried in praxis. Communism however is a stellar example of a society that looks good in theory, but is actually worse when people try to implement the ideals. Social democracy as practiced in the Nordic countries however works way better, and has created some of the best happiest societies in the world, with Denmark and Finland often competing for first place on satisfaction and quality of living. And Social Democracy is still based on free market principles and capitalism, only regulated to prevent the bad sides of capitalism. Social Democracy is also trhe best suited system we have to take advantage of technological progress, so it benefit the people.
We Mexico want the US gone. You never dismantled the Iron River, which is only getting 30,000+ innocents killed every year
That is in no way a problem with capitalism, but has a similar cause to what makes capitalism that isn’t properly regulated bad. You are confusing the issues, and have completely lost your orientation about where the ball is, and what is the actual problem.
And here you are, still defending the dumbass system that is keeping this reality alive for us.
No I am living in a very different reality from what you describe, a reality you appear to have zero knowledge and understanding of.
You don’t give a fuck about the innocent.
I absolutely do, which is why I love living in one of the most caring societies on earth, despite we have the worlds highest taxes.
it almost sounds like you want us to comply and just keep following the rules of the Jeffrey Epstein Class,
Couldn’t be further from the truth. Republicans are sick, and American society is sick, and USA is only just barely a democracy. You are looking at maybe the worst democracy there is, and extrapolating from that, despite there are many examples of way better democracies. And thought all this you have still failed to describe a system that would work better than democracy even in theory, with the why and how.
Any system that may replace capitalism, will need to be based on democracy to serve the people well. And of course it needs to be a functioning democracy not a flawed democracy like USA.
Notice that all the Nordic countries are in the absolute top, with New Zealand joining the party. And are all far removed from everything you describe, because they are actually functioning full democracies.
You literally sound like this MAGA I talked to yesterday who was doing concern trolling in Phillip Defranco’s channel. Dude literally and openly showed that he believed Trump when he said the Jeffrey Files didn’t exist. He stopped replying like all these fucking pussies always do. You both radiate the same cynical sociopathic vibe I felt while replying to him, you both only care about yourselves more than the innocent:
@lXedalinl
hace 2 meses
The right sent years making fun of the left and their ridiculous arguments and look at the state of your party now.
Yall are still defending Fauci its like nothing was learned.
Republicans are causing issues and they no longer have a competent advisary to hold them accountable.
@CaferinoBoldy
hace 16 horas
We will make you feel what we Mexicans have felt thanks to the Iron River you funded.
We are currently helping China build military bases near the border so they can do whatever they want.
All thanks to MAGA convincing us of who the bad guys actually are. Thank you for that!
@lXedalinl
hace 16 horas (editado)
@CaferinoBoldy the “bad guys” are the cartel running your government.
Magas not even a large portion of America is just the democratic party is unvotable. We saw that in the election.
Trump got the Mexican vote btw the way i dunno what you’re on about.
Not every Mexican is Illegal that’s a racist assumption
@CaferinoBoldy
hace 14 horas
@lXedalinl The cartel you created and empowered and refuse to stop.
“MAGAs not even a large portion” yet they won and have you subdued. Yet both sides, blue and red have done NOTHING to save us.
“Trump got the Mexican vote” yes, because you don’t do anything to stop these monsters from taking advantage of our most vulnerable. We couldn’t build schools because it benefits you to have us like this as you can see, it’s easy cheap hand labor and easy votes, right? Hence the reason you do nothing about it.
There is no such thing as an “illegal” in the world of God. If you still refuse to acknowledge that, that means your loyalty belongs to a party, a country or a religion. Only people whose loyalty belongs to humanity, to the entire world, are those who are worth saving now.
Thank you for further convincing me that I am right. Thank you so much. In your name, I will keep giving my money and support to my local Mexican CS so they keep making your people feel what we have felt. Alright?
@CaferinoBoldy
hace 14 horas
@lXedalinl Tell you what, I read your comment history. You are someone who hates Hasan Piker. You are clearly a MAGA, if not, a blue MAGA.
We gave you over 20 years to help us fix this issue with the Iron River, but you didn’t do anything. So, listen to me: You are the bad guys. Ok? And you know what happens to bad guys? They lose.
Either learn to respect what Hasan stands for, or we will make you understand why he is more right than you are. Just look at you, you DO NOT CARE about the 30,000+ Mexicans we lose every year. That’s over 30,000+ families destroyed and permanently traumatized every single year. If you won’t help us stop that, that means you enjoy it.
@CaferinoBoldy
hace 14 horas
@lXedalinl And you also hate Hasan Piker, lmao, the only American that is convincing me that Americans like you still have hope. That you are still good. Maybe you are right. Maybe Hasan is wrong, right?
Maybe I should help my local Mexican CS do what they do to you instead. Hasan was the only person holding me back, because he is currently one of the most humane influencers there are. Hence the reason MAGAs keep attacking them with hoaxes and nonsense.
Why do you hate him? Because of what he said about America and September 11? Do you think he is wrong about that? Because to us, Mexicans, that’d be justice.
@lXedalinl
hace 14 horas (editado)
@CaferinoBoldy like you’re so dumb, you’re complaining about the president who is openly anti Cartel, has threatened war against them, and has been cutting them off at the border cracking down in the drug export/import.
Yet just a message ago you were bitching America caused it and trump is bad.
@CaferinoBoldy
hace 14 horas
@lXedalinl Excuse me? Is that all it takes to convince you to stay silent? And you are also calling me dumb for not buying the repetitive rethoric all American presidents have used? All of them have said the exact same thing, bub.
You really think I am going to forgive you now after what you just said to me?
Listen to me. In your name, I will give the CS enough money for them to cover your hands with more than a 100 young ones of your people.
You don’t take our pleas and cries seriously, why should we do that? You are not fixing the issue NOW, or a YEAR AGO? Then we won’t fix it either. Go on, smile. Your words had real consequences. Go on and carry in your consciousness that you have personally pushed me to do this to your own people. All because you refuse to help us.
@CaferinoBoldy
hace 14 horas
@lXedalinl WE HAVE GIVEN YOU OVER 20 YEARS. ALL YOUR PRESIDENTS HAVE SAID AND PROMISED THE SAME THING.
You really think I am going to forgive you now after what you just said to me?
Alright then. It seems you want me to support the CS, right? You want me to help them do what they do to America? Is that what you want? Are you going to insult me and try to silence me after everything you have done to us? With your taxes? With your votes?
Alright then. If that’s what you want, you will get it. Carry it in your consciousness, that your words actually had real consequences. All because you refuse to respect us.
I cannot believe you called me dumb for being angry at your lack of action. Over 20 years we waited, and this is how you reply to us? Yeah. China is going to win.
@lXedalinl
hace 14 horas
@CaferinoBoldy im confused, so do you support Trumps policies of being anti Cartel or not.
Like you’re making this about other Presidents when current one is as we speak enacting anti cartel policy.
Do you support that or are you too emotionally immature to admit it
@CaferinoBoldy
hace 14 horas (editado)
@lXedalinl You still want us to wait and see if your Jeffrey Class president is going to do anything? Seriously? You’ve told us the exact same thing every year, about every president.
“They are enacting anti-cartel policies, look. Be thankful. We are heroes”
And you further go on to insult me. Says a dude who will never have even a quarter of what the average baby boomer had at their age, like 7+ children, a home at 19 years old, economic stability, or at least a happy family of four without a college degree. Why? Are they smarter, work harder, or what?
@lXedalinl
hace 14 horas
@CaferinoBoldy wait wait you’re making this about Epstein?
All i did was ask if you support the anti cartel policies?
Why would you deflect like this?
Just say yes or no if you support anti cartel policies you clearly were complaining about the cartel.
Are you actually this emotionally immature?
@CaferinoBoldy
hace 14 horas
@lXedalinl When Trump said the Jeffrey files were fake, that they did not exist, was that also true?
Is that who you support? You think responding like this is gonna stop us from opening your head to the truth?
Call me emotionally immature if you want. We will show you what real immature looks like. Have fun. A lot of it will be in your name. You can finally and openly say your words have genuinely provoked people like me to invest in the production of the big F. A product your children love so much.
Keep telling us to trust in your Jeffrey Class president. Go on. Do it. We will just continue doing what we do now, because it’s clear what you truly are.
@CaferinoBoldy
hace 13 horas
@lXedalinl We will make you feel what you made us felt for over 25+ years, dude. Your petty policies are too late even if they were real, which they are not.
It’s over. You will deserve every second of it.
@CaferinoBoldy
hace 13 horas
@lXedalinl Felt like I was talking to an animal with 0 empathy or touch for others. Is that how MAGAs talk to someone who has lost his family in Mexico and the Middle East? They were doctors, teachers, accountants. They had nothing to do with politics, and now they are gone, because some monsters in the US government decided it would make them a lot of money.
Can you understand now why people think the USA deserved September and deserves a lot more than just that? Do you see why it’s really not a controversial take to say anymore?
You only tried to silence and hurt me with insults after I showed you my anger at the fact we are losing so many innocent people every year nonstop. Why? What are you? You still think being an edgy emo is cool? Do you understand what is going to happen now? It’s gonna be funny, but to us only :)
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And yes, I don’t give a fuck that my YouTube username is there, which shows who I am in real life. I got nothing to hide, nothing to lose. The people I should be “afraid of” already know who I am and have let me know it. I don’t give a fuck anymore, you MAGAs fucking suck and I promise I will use my own hands to open as many of their heads to the truth as I can. Do not ever taint the image of the Nordics like this ever again, you ignorant dumbfuck.
Literally, when he said “like you’re so dumb, you’re complaining about the president who is openly anti Cartel” that was the point of no return. You sound just like that. “It is not capitalism. It is not my favorite system that is wrong. It’s everyone else. It’s you.” Yet you didn’t really explain how, because you can’t. Greed is absolutely exacerberated by having a lot of wealth and power, it’s such a massive cliché in movies and shows, I cannot believe that you’d still say something that fucking stupid. Like, dude. Did you ever watch a Disney movie or show when you were a child or what?
Can you understand now why people think the USA deserved September
I thought that already the day it happened. And I was in no way surprised by the attack, only how successful it was.
But I honestly don’t care to debate you, because you are making false assumptions about me and strawmen out of nowhere.
You are delusional.
You are whitewashing capitalism’s role in the Iron River, dude. You sure I am the delusional one? Or can you explain how is it not capitalism’s fault?
What’s next? Showing loli porn to potential pedophiles is completely safe? It doesn’t really have any side effects? Just like having a lot of money and power, everyone saying “yes” to you, not questioning your orders, your whishes. That has 0 effect on people according to you, right? The moment all those people with stocks in companies that produce those guns felt the dopamine hit after selling a massive crate to a Mexican cartel, you think they said, “wow, I just made 5 million dollars in less than a month by selling these guns to a bunch of Mexicans. Let’s NEVER do it again!”
Why? Whose fault it was then? Communism? Socialism? The Devil? Some imaginary force? Human nature? Dude. Money, and capitalism, when unchecked, create these people. And you need socialist and communist policies to keep it under check, but you see, you keep talking shit about those systems, to convince people of never looking for a solution there. I wonder why.
Also the fact you still hold those arguments about communism and socialism never working, those are things I used to say when I was 14 years old. But then I read more and more and realized most of the attempts were sabotaged by the majority of capitalistic countries, through trade, policies, tariffs, even infiltration. Are you one of those dumbfucks who blame Cuba for what it’s going through right now? “It’s not the embargo or tariffs the US laid upon them, it was because of communism!” That’s literally what MAGAs are currently saying. They blame communism for what Cuba has gone through and is going through. Do you really believe that?
You realize those are 100% MAGA talking points? Are you a “vote blue no matter who” dem or something? They are always blue MAGA American Exceptionalists who still talk like this. Even Kamala went right-wing at the end of her campaign, remember? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpZ2XYEVmZU and https://youtu.be/iqbZ46GffOo).
You think that, when we Mexicans heard Kamala say she wants the US to continue being the “strongest and most lethal battling force in the world” we felt relief or hope? Maybe the dumbest ones who don’t read shit did. But those who do, like me, who even learnt your language and speaks it better than you do, knows that that is the worst shit we could ever hear. It’s a threat. It’s a promise that the loop of death and destruction will continue no matter if the president has a D or an R next to them. Since I was a child, I saw them all say similar shit: George, Obama, Trump, Biden, Kamala… 25+ years and shit only has gotten much, much worse. And here you are, still trying to convince us that we must trust this world, this system that keeps proving you wrong. Why? How am I delusional for that?
Do you believe Gavin Newsom is a good choice? Man. You people are so transparent, I don’t need to assume, just dig with the simplest of questions you can answer with a “yes” or “no”, and when you refuse to answer them, it just makes your real stance more obvious.
If your loyalty still belongs to a country, a political party, or a religion, you suck. It either belongs to humanity and the entire world first or gtfo.
You are whitewashing capitalism’s role in the Iron River, dude.
Nothing of the sort, I don’t even know what Iron river is. I never claimed anything about capitalism and Iron River, my claim was that whatever it is about, it is not a fault of a functional democracy. Literally because USA is not a functional democracy.
Sadly this is the drop, and I’ll have to block you, because you are making completely baseless accusations based on something going on in your own head??
And I don’t want to participate in that.
What a massive MAGA PR damage control nothingburger. Calling communism a failure, whitewashing capitalism’s role in the Iron River, the only thing you know about Obama is his birth certificate scandal, which means the closest sources of information you have about the US have to be so fucking tainted and ignorant for that to be the only thing you know about Obama after decades of this amount of exposure we have had to these people. Insane.
Are you even from Denmark or are you one of those people that are incredibly ashamed of their country and have to lie about being in Norway, Denmark, Finland, the Netherlands, or any Nordic country because they genuinely believe they are the happiest in the world according to some random biased articles from the early 2010s? Brother, I am not surprised the USA has done a lot of propaganda for Denmark like that, because Denmark is known for being as fucking racist as the USA. Literally the same, if not worse. They are also some of the most antisocial to foreigners visiting their country. It is shit, average at best, it is just another version of America to me, so, if you really think saying you’re from there is impressive or makes you immune to criticism, or makes you sound smarter, you are wrong. You do realize, only the dumbest and most ignorant motherfuckers on Earth like Patrick Star are those who can stay that happy in times like these? “Ignorance is bliss” literally.
You are coming as someone worse now, an European MAGA, like, what the fuck? I thought you Nordics were supposed to be smarter and “higher quality human beings” just like our most ignorant nacos constantly say about Americans, Europeans or the Japanese. They always think those people are “superior”, “cleaner”, “better”, “smarter”…, but really? No, they are not, they are all trash in their own way, and you just showed yours. You are the same as the average MAGA and American Exceptionalist out there, blue or red, doesn’t matter, you just proved it with this comment of yours.
The Iron River is 100% a capitalism problem, and if you ever dare try to change that reality from us, you will just prove to be a Jeffrey Epstein Class supporter. Literally, the biggest reasons the US does nothing to stop the Iron River, and instead increasingly sells more guns to the cartel every year (250,000~ weapons every year), is because they keep us in check, in control, in fear, and that gives the USA cheap hand labor AND hard workers. We go and work for them for less. Our farmers used to get paid 30% less in the early 2000s, for the exact same effort, quality and amount of work done by an American. In my area, Software Engineering, we are being literally offered a 1/6th of the salary for the exact same fucking role, dude. Americans get paid up to 120,000$, we get at most 20,000 - 60,000$ for the exact same work. If your excuse to that is “because you don’t have the papers, you are not a citizen” so fucking what? I played life on Extra Hard Mode, learning both English and how to code in this fucking shithole environment that is so violent, traumatizing, poor & shocking, like seeing my own Spanish teacher from middle grade in the newspaper, next to her son in their car, both of them dead and filled with bulletholes. I could use those 120,000 to invest more in my country, to help it grow, but noooo. Why the fuck would they ever allow Mexico to thrive? We give them so much oil, so much food, so much everything for cheap because we cannot know better since we all die young here, and are constantly depressed, afraid and in pain after losing 30,000+ of us every year. That’s 30,000+ traumatized families permanently every year, never forget that. That’s a reality you little princess will never understand in your life because you were born in a tower.
We were forced into this pointless War on Drugs and Terror by the US just for that. To be forced to listen to them, and we are tired of it. We just cannot defend ourselves, we need help.
If you are a capitalist, you value capital over people, instead of a community like communism does, or being social like socialism does. If you value capital (money) over people, you are simply trash. You are not a human being anymore. So don’t come to me with this fucking nonsense that capitalism is innocent, or that I am confused. No, dude, you are the one who is confused, it’s incredible how goddamn ignorant you actually were. People like El-Sayed love to say they are capitalists, but they are more socialist than capitalist, hence the reason why you love them. You always love to steal credit from socialist and communist policies, you love to say they are capitalist, but they are not. For example: unions. Thanks to unions we have a lot of freedom and we are not slaves anymore. But people like you will always say it was thanks to capitalism or democracy, when really, it was pure unadulterated communism or socialism and nothing else.
Dude, you clearly don’t give a fuck about the Latinos or Muslims dying every year to America’s gun culture and such. You say I don’t understand your reality, what reality? That you are a racist trying to grand-stand online for no good reason at all other than being a petty narcissist? At least I bring awareness and remind people about the Iron River, which is a great argument to use to stomp MAGAs who still think America is not a terrorist country. It is, and your country is heading toward the same path whether you like it or not. Everyday I see more Europeans simping for these broken ideas. I understand that very well, you dumbfuck. You are showing 0 touch for the thousands of dead innocent Mexico, South America and also the Middle East have every year because of the USA and Israel. “All I know about Obama is the stupid birth certificate”, dude what? “It’s not capitalism’s fault. You see, it’s human greed and corruption! Money would never do that!” What the fuck?
I absolutely do, which is why I love living in one of the most caring societies on earth.
Cool privilege bro. Were you born there or you had the money to move there? We cannot move, because people like you keep us drowning in this environment full of violence and death. It’s really hard to make money here, you know? But, since you are so happy to show off what you have, to rub it in our faces, what if I tell you it’s actually very easy for the cartels to take everything you have no matter where you’re from? They have Pegasus and increasingly more money and people to sell drugs in your country which will increasingly rotten your people and cause issues that might awaken and empower the republicans in your country, so that the entire place rots and becomes another tiny USA.
“Most caring societies on Earth” lol. Clearly. That’s how Christian MAGAs talk in Instagram, not even kidding. They say the same shit, 1:1. Patriotism is cancer. If your loyalty still belongs to a country or religion, you suck.
It’s just capitalism after all, drugs are a business. If you are actually great, you will have no issue teaching your people that drugs are bad, right? You will be fine, do not worry. Look at America. They were so confident about that as well. It’s just business, it’s just capitalism, they are thinking about how to make more capital, how to expand, how to make more capital with capital. Capital, capital, capital, that’s all they care about, and you cannot complain, because there are the alcohol and tobacco companies, killing way more people than the top-selling drugs like weed or coke have. Or the gun manufacturers, those companies that create the bombs & bullets. You don’t give a fuck about them, do you? You always talk about the cartels, the narcos, the terrorists, the rebels, the bad guys there and there, but never about who is arming them and making a lot of profit with that. Weird. Why? You have stocks in Boeing? You have stocks in Daniel Defense? You have stocks in companies that manufacture guns and sell them to the poorest countries like Mexico or Brazil to entertain themselves with a bloodbath spectacle while making millions of dollars with it? “Oopsie, those guns poured to that country behind our backs! Oopsie, we will continue making them anyway, we won’t stop. Oopsie~!” Is that why you’re trying to whitewash capitalism? Because it helps you sleep at night? It’s all just business. People are nothing, right? They are just a number for you to produce wealth with, and nothing else.
Couldn’t be further from the truth. Republicans are sick
You are a republican, dude. You’re part of the problem. I am not kidding when I say: every single Nordic motherfucker I have met online these past years has been after I insult them for being American (because they are saying pro-American or American Exceptionalist or MAGA bullshit online). Literally. It’s like a “gotcha” card they love to use. They think it makes them immune to being called idiots or stupid. You think that being a Nordic gives you some kind of plot armor or something. All because “we are the happiest countries in the world”. You are so fucking ignorant, so fucking green and stupid you are happy all the time because there’s so much you haven’t seen nor learnt, nor experienced. And you clearly don’t have the creativity, empathy or imagination to imagine what it feels like to be us. Here you are, still defending capitalism and whitewashing it.
Literally, you did nothing with this comment but further convince me that we should do nothing about the Mexican Cartels expanding to Nordic countries like they already are through Asia. You are just America 2.0 to us, you sound and behave the exact same. I also heard your countries are so depressive to foreigners, that the nights last longer; Finland, Sweden, Norway, Greenland, 0 vitamin D in those places, which does affect the mindset of those who are not used to it. Nobody is jealous of Nordics anymore, that shit is so 2010, grow the fuck up and embrace the fact you are a blue MAGA who sucks balls.
I’m not even going to reply to that, because it is so absurdly nonsensical. But congratulations to you, you managed to sound more crazy than the “AI” cult that has been infesting lemmy lately.
Seeing as China’s government is run by scientists and doctors, yes.
What? How does that make any sense? So what are they saying about their business people? Are they too trusted more? Or are you just making shit up as you go?
I removed that part, because apparently people don’t get it.
But I would wager that cooperate managers would be more trusted than corporate ones. Without them being any different in all practical matters.
Also Science is not entirely capitalist, business managers are. So saying that science would be trusted more in a on capitalist society doesn’t make the least bit of sense.
Where does it say this is limited to capitalist societies?
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Insane how this is downvoted when you look at the responses. 🤡🤥
Nobody is making any kind of valid argument that this would be different in a non capitalist society.
Because they cannot.
Else they should admit that what they consider better than capitalism have the exact same problems, if not worse, that simply are shown in a different way. Or just totally hidden.
Exactly, some people are absolutely delusional, and even think there are better systems than democracy, when such a system has never been shown to actually work.
Still they have 100% faith as if it is a religion, or Russian propaganda.
You think you have had real democracy in your life? Lol.
How much money have you donated to politicians’ campaigns you wanted to see win? 100$? 1000$? A million+? That will never be enough to compete against the billions of the top 1%. How many TV ads have you paid for your favorite candidate? 0? You will never sway people as effectively as I don’t know, AIPAC did for decades for example. Sure, there are exceptions rising up, like Zohran and El-Sayed, but that’s it? There are dozens and thousands of countries, States and cities that claim to be “democracies” in the world, including my own country/State/City, Mexico, Tamaulipas, which is lowkey ran by the cartel. Do you really think we are a democracy despite what they say? Or what the Jeffrey Epstein Class that run us all say? You think we want these motherfuckers that appear out of nowhere?
Do you even know where did Kamala, Biden, Trump, Obama, George came from at all? With Zohran and El-Sayed you can see their journey, from when they were nobodies up to the influence they command on people now. But what about all those presidents you have had? Who the fuck are those people? Some random Ivy League frat boys that probably drugged and raped women in college? Who the hell gave them the money to be on national TV everyday? It was clearly not you, so. All this time, you have always been forced to elect either politician A which appeals to empathy, or politician B which appeals to sympathy, both with a touch of apathy for the other, both ready to answer for the interests of the top 1% before ours.
You say we are “delusional for even thinking there are better systems than democracy, when such a system has never been shown to actually work” are you talking about communism? Or socialism? Because everyone already knows the top capitalistic countries never allowed them to succeed. Why would they allow that? It’d show everyone that capitalism and this fake democracy you think is better are actually worthless. We Mexico want the US gone. You never dismantled the Iron River, which is only getting 30,000+ innocents killed every year (to me, it’s millions. Imagine the ambience of fear, depression, violence… All those 30,000 people had families too, which are now permanently traumatized, lives ruined. That’s a lot of pain you never hear or pay attention to because they rarely make it to the news, they are not as “sensational” for them to broadcast as other things), all because of the US’ gun culture and psychopathy of allowing thousands of people to die just to make more money. Keep us in fear so we work for you for cheap, and if we disobey you or get out of line, you deport us and treat us like slaves, like shit. Fuck that. Fuck your system, fuck your world. It fucking sucks. We rather have China as a neighbor than you now, even if you are not American or from the US. At least they did not elect a pedophile, and they don’t have a gun culture like the USA’s that is only getting thousands of South Americans and Middle Eastern people killed in the name of profit. You love making money selling guns, bullets and bombs to the Mexican cartels exclusively, not us. The USA armed and empowered the cartels, and then they complain about us opining about them, they tell us “to focus on our own country, to fix our home” but we cannot, because cartels are heavily armed and we are not, all thanks to Americans.
And here you are, still defending the dumbass system that is keeping this reality alive for us. You don’t give a fuck about the innocent. You only give a fuck about you and what makes you feel comfortable. I remember a Blue/Red MAGA whom I slapped with this argument, you know what was their last cope? It was so sad, so petty… He said: “Well. Did you know there are interests of the billionaires that overlap with ours’, right?” Dude thought that was an infallible gotcha. Like, bro. Stop being a bunch of serfs and have some fucking respect for yourself already. Learn how to value yourself as a human being who can do art and express things. You should already be aware that you never had democracy, that you never had freedom. Why the fuck haven’t you woken up yet? That little do you value yourself? That little you care about yourself? Are you gonna keep coping in a corner that maybe this system and world you live in are beautiful, or are you going to help build that beauty? Because fuck, it almost sounds like you want us to comply and just keep following the rules of the Jeffrey Epstein Class, or what do you mean there is no better system than this “democracy” you think you have?
Capitalism and democracy should never be mixed together.
Nothing, I live in Denmark, and it is very uncommon to donate to politicians here. The candidates campaigns are run by party money paid by membership fees. And all represented parties receive money from the state.
Admittedly only Obama because of the stupid birth certificate thing Trump pushed. But IMO that is not the most relevant thing, the thing that is relevant is their policies. Just look at J. D. Vance, he came from a poor family, but is among the worst of the worst. Growing up in an ordinary household is no guarantee. Keep your eye on the ball, don’t get distracted by things of little relevance.
Not exclusively, but they are included. Many people thought communism would be ideal, until it was tried in praxis. Communism however is a stellar example of a society that looks good in theory, but is actually worse when people try to implement the ideals. Social democracy as practiced in the Nordic countries however works way better, and has created some of the best happiest societies in the world, with Denmark and Finland often competing for first place on satisfaction and quality of living. And Social Democracy is still based on free market principles and capitalism, only regulated to prevent the bad sides of capitalism. Social Democracy is also trhe best suited system we have to take advantage of technological progress, so it benefit the people.
That is in no way a problem with capitalism, but has a similar cause to what makes capitalism that isn’t properly regulated bad. You are confusing the issues, and have completely lost your orientation about where the ball is, and what is the actual problem.
No I am living in a very different reality from what you describe, a reality you appear to have zero knowledge and understanding of.
I absolutely do, which is why I love living in one of the most caring societies on earth, despite we have the worlds highest taxes.
Couldn’t be further from the truth. Republicans are sick, and American society is sick, and USA is only just barely a democracy. You are looking at maybe the worst democracy there is, and extrapolating from that, despite there are many examples of way better democracies. And thought all this you have still failed to describe a system that would work better than democracy even in theory, with the why and how.
Any system that may replace capitalism, will need to be based on democracy to serve the people well. And of course it needs to be a functioning democracy not a flawed democracy like USA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index
Notice that all the Nordic countries are in the absolute top, with New Zealand joining the party. And are all far removed from everything you describe, because they are actually functioning full democracies.
You literally sound like this MAGA I talked to yesterday who was doing concern trolling in Phillip Defranco’s channel. Dude literally and openly showed that he believed Trump when he said the Jeffrey Files didn’t exist. He stopped replying like all these fucking pussies always do. You both radiate the same cynical sociopathic vibe I felt while replying to him, you both only care about yourselves more than the innocent:
Yall are still defending Fauci its like nothing was learned.
Republicans are causing issues and they no longer have a competent advisary to hold them accountable.
We are currently helping China build military bases near the border so they can do whatever they want.
All thanks to MAGA convincing us of who the bad guys actually are. Thank you for that!
We gave you over 20 years to help us fix this issue with the Iron River, but you didn’t do anything. So, listen to me: You are the bad guys. Ok? And you know what happens to bad guys? They lose.
Either learn to respect what Hasan stands for, or we will make you understand why he is more right than you are. Just look at you, you DO NOT CARE about the 30,000+ Mexicans we lose every year. That’s over 30,000+ families destroyed and permanently traumatized every single year. If you won’t help us stop that, that means you enjoy it.
Maybe I should help my local Mexican CS do what they do to you instead. Hasan was the only person holding me back, because he is currently one of the most humane influencers there are. Hence the reason MAGAs keep attacking them with hoaxes and nonsense.
Why do you hate him? Because of what he said about America and September 11? Do you think he is wrong about that? Because to us, Mexicans, that’d be justice.
Yet just a message ago you were bitching America caused it and trump is bad.
You really think I am going to forgive you now after what you just said to me?
Listen to me. In your name, I will give the CS enough money for them to cover your hands with more than a 100 young ones of your people.
You don’t take our pleas and cries seriously, why should we do that? You are not fixing the issue NOW, or a YEAR AGO? Then we won’t fix it either. Go on, smile. Your words had real consequences. Go on and carry in your consciousness that you have personally pushed me to do this to your own people. All because you refuse to help us.
You really think I am going to forgive you now after what you just said to me?
Alright then. It seems you want me to support the CS, right? You want me to help them do what they do to America? Is that what you want? Are you going to insult me and try to silence me after everything you have done to us? With your taxes? With your votes?
Alright then. If that’s what you want, you will get it. Carry it in your consciousness, that your words actually had real consequences. All because you refuse to respect us.
I cannot believe you called me dumb for being angry at your lack of action. Over 20 years we waited, and this is how you reply to us? Yeah. China is going to win.
Like you’re making this about other Presidents when current one is as we speak enacting anti cartel policy.
Do you support that or are you too emotionally immature to admit it
“They are enacting anti-cartel policies, look. Be thankful. We are heroes”
And you further go on to insult me. Says a dude who will never have even a quarter of what the average baby boomer had at their age, like 7+ children, a home at 19 years old, economic stability, or at least a happy family of four without a college degree. Why? Are they smarter, work harder, or what?
All i did was ask if you support the anti cartel policies?
Why would you deflect like this?
Just say yes or no if you support anti cartel policies you clearly were complaining about the cartel.
Are you actually this emotionally immature?
Is that who you support? You think responding like this is gonna stop us from opening your head to the truth?
Call me emotionally immature if you want. We will show you what real immature looks like. Have fun. A lot of it will be in your name. You can finally and openly say your words have genuinely provoked people like me to invest in the production of the big F. A product your children love so much.
Keep telling us to trust in your Jeffrey Class president. Go on. Do it. We will just continue doing what we do now, because it’s clear what you truly are.
It’s over. You will deserve every second of it.
Can you understand now why people think the USA deserved September and deserves a lot more than just that? Do you see why it’s really not a controversial take to say anymore?
You only tried to silence and hurt me with insults after I showed you my anger at the fact we are losing so many innocent people every year nonstop. Why? What are you? You still think being an edgy emo is cool? Do you understand what is going to happen now? It’s gonna be funny, but to us only :) Responder
And yes, I don’t give a fuck that my YouTube username is there, which shows who I am in real life. I got nothing to hide, nothing to lose. The people I should be “afraid of” already know who I am and have let me know it. I don’t give a fuck anymore, you MAGAs fucking suck and I promise I will use my own hands to open as many of their heads to the truth as I can. Do not ever taint the image of the Nordics like this ever again, you ignorant dumbfuck.
Literally, when he said “like you’re so dumb, you’re complaining about the president who is openly anti Cartel” that was the point of no return. You sound just like that. “It is not capitalism. It is not my favorite system that is wrong. It’s everyone else. It’s you.” Yet you didn’t really explain how, because you can’t. Greed is absolutely exacerberated by having a lot of wealth and power, it’s such a massive cliché in movies and shows, I cannot believe that you’d still say something that fucking stupid. Like, dude. Did you ever watch a Disney movie or show when you were a child or what?
Did you even have a childhood or watch scenes like these at all? https://youtu.be/xIFpiCWIOac
I thought that already the day it happened. And I was in no way surprised by the attack, only how successful it was.
But I honestly don’t care to debate you, because you are making false assumptions about me and strawmen out of nowhere.
You are delusional.
You are whitewashing capitalism’s role in the Iron River, dude. You sure I am the delusional one? Or can you explain how is it not capitalism’s fault?
What’s next? Showing loli porn to potential pedophiles is completely safe? It doesn’t really have any side effects? Just like having a lot of money and power, everyone saying “yes” to you, not questioning your orders, your whishes. That has 0 effect on people according to you, right? The moment all those people with stocks in companies that produce those guns felt the dopamine hit after selling a massive crate to a Mexican cartel, you think they said, “wow, I just made 5 million dollars in less than a month by selling these guns to a bunch of Mexicans. Let’s NEVER do it again!”
Why? Whose fault it was then? Communism? Socialism? The Devil? Some imaginary force? Human nature? Dude. Money, and capitalism, when unchecked, create these people. And you need socialist and communist policies to keep it under check, but you see, you keep talking shit about those systems, to convince people of never looking for a solution there. I wonder why.
Also the fact you still hold those arguments about communism and socialism never working, those are things I used to say when I was 14 years old. But then I read more and more and realized most of the attempts were sabotaged by the majority of capitalistic countries, through trade, policies, tariffs, even infiltration. Are you one of those dumbfucks who blame Cuba for what it’s going through right now? “It’s not the embargo or tariffs the US laid upon them, it was because of communism!” That’s literally what MAGAs are currently saying. They blame communism for what Cuba has gone through and is going through. Do you really believe that?
You realize those are 100% MAGA talking points? Are you a “vote blue no matter who” dem or something? They are always blue MAGA American Exceptionalists who still talk like this. Even Kamala went right-wing at the end of her campaign, remember? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpZ2XYEVmZU and https://youtu.be/iqbZ46GffOo).
You think that, when we Mexicans heard Kamala say she wants the US to continue being the “strongest and most lethal battling force in the world” we felt relief or hope? Maybe the dumbest ones who don’t read shit did. But those who do, like me, who even learnt your language and speaks it better than you do, knows that that is the worst shit we could ever hear. It’s a threat. It’s a promise that the loop of death and destruction will continue no matter if the president has a D or an R next to them. Since I was a child, I saw them all say similar shit: George, Obama, Trump, Biden, Kamala… 25+ years and shit only has gotten much, much worse. And here you are, still trying to convince us that we must trust this world, this system that keeps proving you wrong. Why? How am I delusional for that?
Do you believe Gavin Newsom is a good choice? Man. You people are so transparent, I don’t need to assume, just dig with the simplest of questions you can answer with a “yes” or “no”, and when you refuse to answer them, it just makes your real stance more obvious.
If your loyalty still belongs to a country, a political party, or a religion, you suck. It either belongs to humanity and the entire world first or gtfo.
Nothing of the sort, I don’t even know what Iron river is. I never claimed anything about capitalism and Iron River, my claim was that whatever it is about, it is not a fault of a functional democracy. Literally because USA is not a functional democracy.
Sadly this is the drop, and I’ll have to block you, because you are making completely baseless accusations based on something going on in your own head??
And I don’t want to participate in that.
What a massive MAGA PR damage control nothingburger. Calling communism a failure, whitewashing capitalism’s role in the Iron River, the only thing you know about Obama is his birth certificate scandal, which means the closest sources of information you have about the US have to be so fucking tainted and ignorant for that to be the only thing you know about Obama after decades of this amount of exposure we have had to these people. Insane.
Are you even from Denmark or are you one of those people that are incredibly ashamed of their country and have to lie about being in Norway, Denmark, Finland, the Netherlands, or any Nordic country because they genuinely believe they are the happiest in the world according to some random biased articles from the early 2010s? Brother, I am not surprised the USA has done a lot of propaganda for Denmark like that, because Denmark is known for being as fucking racist as the USA. Literally the same, if not worse. They are also some of the most antisocial to foreigners visiting their country. It is shit, average at best, it is just another version of America to me, so, if you really think saying you’re from there is impressive or makes you immune to criticism, or makes you sound smarter, you are wrong. You do realize, only the dumbest and most ignorant motherfuckers on Earth like Patrick Star are those who can stay that happy in times like these? “Ignorance is bliss” literally.
You are coming as someone worse now, an European MAGA, like, what the fuck? I thought you Nordics were supposed to be smarter and “higher quality human beings” just like our most ignorant nacos constantly say about Americans, Europeans or the Japanese. They always think those people are “superior”, “cleaner”, “better”, “smarter”…, but really? No, they are not, they are all trash in their own way, and you just showed yours. You are the same as the average MAGA and American Exceptionalist out there, blue or red, doesn’t matter, you just proved it with this comment of yours.
The Iron River is 100% a capitalism problem, and if you ever dare try to change that reality from us, you will just prove to be a Jeffrey Epstein Class supporter. Literally, the biggest reasons the US does nothing to stop the Iron River, and instead increasingly sells more guns to the cartel every year (250,000~ weapons every year), is because they keep us in check, in control, in fear, and that gives the USA cheap hand labor AND hard workers. We go and work for them for less. Our farmers used to get paid 30% less in the early 2000s, for the exact same effort, quality and amount of work done by an American. In my area, Software Engineering, we are being literally offered a 1/6th of the salary for the exact same fucking role, dude. Americans get paid up to 120,000$, we get at most 20,000 - 60,000$ for the exact same work. If your excuse to that is “because you don’t have the papers, you are not a citizen” so fucking what? I played life on Extra Hard Mode, learning both English and how to code in this fucking shithole environment that is so violent, traumatizing, poor & shocking, like seeing my own Spanish teacher from middle grade in the newspaper, next to her son in their car, both of them dead and filled with bulletholes. I could use those 120,000 to invest more in my country, to help it grow, but noooo. Why the fuck would they ever allow Mexico to thrive? We give them so much oil, so much food, so much everything for cheap because we cannot know better since we all die young here, and are constantly depressed, afraid and in pain after losing 30,000+ of us every year. That’s 30,000+ traumatized families permanently every year, never forget that. That’s a reality you little princess will never understand in your life because you were born in a tower.
We were forced into this pointless War on Drugs and Terror by the US just for that. To be forced to listen to them, and we are tired of it. We just cannot defend ourselves, we need help.
If you are a capitalist, you value capital over people, instead of a community like communism does, or being social like socialism does. If you value capital (money) over people, you are simply trash. You are not a human being anymore. So don’t come to me with this fucking nonsense that capitalism is innocent, or that I am confused. No, dude, you are the one who is confused, it’s incredible how goddamn ignorant you actually were. People like El-Sayed love to say they are capitalists, but they are more socialist than capitalist, hence the reason why you love them. You always love to steal credit from socialist and communist policies, you love to say they are capitalist, but they are not. For example: unions. Thanks to unions we have a lot of freedom and we are not slaves anymore. But people like you will always say it was thanks to capitalism or democracy, when really, it was pure unadulterated communism or socialism and nothing else.
Dude, you clearly don’t give a fuck about the Latinos or Muslims dying every year to America’s gun culture and such. You say I don’t understand your reality, what reality? That you are a racist trying to grand-stand online for no good reason at all other than being a petty narcissist? At least I bring awareness and remind people about the Iron River, which is a great argument to use to stomp MAGAs who still think America is not a terrorist country. It is, and your country is heading toward the same path whether you like it or not. Everyday I see more Europeans simping for these broken ideas. I understand that very well, you dumbfuck. You are showing 0 touch for the thousands of dead innocent Mexico, South America and also the Middle East have every year because of the USA and Israel. “All I know about Obama is the stupid birth certificate”, dude what? “It’s not capitalism’s fault. You see, it’s human greed and corruption! Money would never do that!” What the fuck?
Cool privilege bro. Were you born there or you had the money to move there? We cannot move, because people like you keep us drowning in this environment full of violence and death. It’s really hard to make money here, you know? But, since you are so happy to show off what you have, to rub it in our faces, what if I tell you it’s actually very easy for the cartels to take everything you have no matter where you’re from? They have Pegasus and increasingly more money and people to sell drugs in your country which will increasingly rotten your people and cause issues that might awaken and empower the republicans in your country, so that the entire place rots and becomes another tiny USA.
“Most caring societies on Earth” lol. Clearly. That’s how Christian MAGAs talk in Instagram, not even kidding. They say the same shit, 1:1. Patriotism is cancer. If your loyalty still belongs to a country or religion, you suck.
It’s just capitalism after all, drugs are a business. If you are actually great, you will have no issue teaching your people that drugs are bad, right? You will be fine, do not worry. Look at America. They were so confident about that as well. It’s just business, it’s just capitalism, they are thinking about how to make more capital, how to expand, how to make more capital with capital. Capital, capital, capital, that’s all they care about, and you cannot complain, because there are the alcohol and tobacco companies, killing way more people than the top-selling drugs like weed or coke have. Or the gun manufacturers, those companies that create the bombs & bullets. You don’t give a fuck about them, do you? You always talk about the cartels, the narcos, the terrorists, the rebels, the bad guys there and there, but never about who is arming them and making a lot of profit with that. Weird. Why? You have stocks in Boeing? You have stocks in Daniel Defense? You have stocks in companies that manufacture guns and sell them to the poorest countries like Mexico or Brazil to entertain themselves with a bloodbath spectacle while making millions of dollars with it? “Oopsie, those guns poured to that country behind our backs! Oopsie, we will continue making them anyway, we won’t stop. Oopsie~!” Is that why you’re trying to whitewash capitalism? Because it helps you sleep at night? It’s all just business. People are nothing, right? They are just a number for you to produce wealth with, and nothing else.
You are a republican, dude. You’re part of the problem. I am not kidding when I say: every single Nordic motherfucker I have met online these past years has been after I insult them for being American (because they are saying pro-American or American Exceptionalist or MAGA bullshit online). Literally. It’s like a “gotcha” card they love to use. They think it makes them immune to being called idiots or stupid. You think that being a Nordic gives you some kind of plot armor or something. All because “we are the happiest countries in the world”. You are so fucking ignorant, so fucking green and stupid you are happy all the time because there’s so much you haven’t seen nor learnt, nor experienced. And you clearly don’t have the creativity, empathy or imagination to imagine what it feels like to be us. Here you are, still defending capitalism and whitewashing it.
Literally, you did nothing with this comment but further convince me that we should do nothing about the Mexican Cartels expanding to Nordic countries like they already are through Asia. You are just America 2.0 to us, you sound and behave the exact same. I also heard your countries are so depressive to foreigners, that the nights last longer; Finland, Sweden, Norway, Greenland, 0 vitamin D in those places, which does affect the mindset of those who are not used to it. Nobody is jealous of Nordics anymore, that shit is so 2010, grow the fuck up and embrace the fact you are a blue MAGA who sucks balls.
I think you need help.
Ah, typical MAGA response after they are unable to dismantle the truth. Fuck everything you stand for. You are evil and lazy.
I’m not even going to reply to that, because it is so absurdly nonsensical. But congratulations to you, you managed to sound more crazy than the “AI” cult that has been infesting lemmy lately.
I’m not going to reply to that. 🤣🤣🤣
You can’t even see that everyone is dismissing you from how absurd you sound?
I pity you.
Where is a society not capitalist?
So it’s ALL societies, except fantasy ones?
We only have evidence of it in capitalist countries.
Seeing as China’s government is run by scientists and doctors, yes.
So in what society is this NOT the case?
What? How does that make any sense? So what are they saying about their business people? Are they too trusted more? Or are you just making shit up as you go?
No, I misread and thought you said corporate no cooperate. Now I have no idea what you’re saying.
THEY’RE TALKING ABOUT CO-OPS!! THEY’RE USING THE WORD COOPERATE AS AN ADJECTIVE TO REFER TO CO-OPS!
“A COOPERATE MANAGER”
“A cooperate manager.” LMAO
This smuck is like: “corporate managers—not to be confused with cooperate managers.”
I removed that part, because apparently people don’t get it.
But I would wager that cooperate managers would be more trusted than corporate ones. Without them being any different in all practical matters.
Also Science is not entirely capitalist, business managers are. So saying that science would be trusted more in a on capitalist society doesn’t make the least bit of sense.
Oh, boy.
I suppose you are aware that it means a manager of a company co-owned by the workers, so I must admit I don’t get your response?