“How DARE those Palestinians escape from their concentration camp!”
Articles like this don’t reflect the fact that the suffering endured by the Palestinian people through Israel’s genocidal reprisal has been disproportionately greater by a wide margin than the atrocities committed on October 7.
Your criticism is unfair. The Guardian has published far more articles about the suffering of Palestinian than about the suffering of Israelis.
That’s a bold statement there Cotton. Make a wild claim like that you are going to have to back it up. The Guardian is notorious for using passive voice when describing Israel’s actions in this genocide and for using vague language when describing the crimes against humanity perpetrated by the Israelis. I cancelled my Guardian subscription in protest of their coverage of the genocide.
Is Israel capable of telling the truth ever, they just lie lie lie thinking we are all fools. Remember their lies about Hind Rajab? Or the ambulance workers they buried in a mass grave? I could go on ad infinitum but I am just sick to death of Israel at this stage. The standard response to anything coming out of Israel should be to assume mendacity.
Maybe, and I’m just spitballing here, but maybe that is because there is far far more suffering and atrocities being committed on Palestinians? No, that would just make too much sense.
Let’s just assume The Guardian wrote 10 times as many articles about the suffering of Palestinians than the suffering of the Israelis. That would only make sense if there happened to be 10 times as much suffering. Since 7 Oct, roughly 2050 Israelis have been killed and roughly 74,000 Palestinians have been killed. That is definitely not 10 times as much suffering. It is more like 36 times as much suffering. And that is only the deaths (most of whom were civilians who had nothing to do with the attacks). How many Israeli hospitals have been destroyed? How many Israeli homes have been destroyed? How many Israelis have been permanently displaced?
It’s almost like you believe that Palestinians have lower value than Israelis.
You’ve got to be fucking kidding me.
There’s gonna be a lot of these for the next month because of the American election and support of Israel’s ongoing genocide is going to be a big issue.
And if Dems take power they’ll drop their new found anti-genocide rhetoric like it’s a 2,000 lbs bomb.
Well, you’re wrong…
And a month before an important midterm election, it’s pretty suspect that you’re just repeating Putin’s decade old propaganda.
Especially since you’re account is filled with equating every other option as just as bad as Putin/trump and that no one should do anything to oppose them.
No one’s gonna fall for that shit in 2026, so the few people repeating it are hard to take seriously
The 2023 and 2024 bullshit is starting again. I just hope more people are inoculated to it then were back then. Because this shit isn’t going to stop before 2028 if ever.
Harris was a horrible candidate and lost because of that. If only she was the worst we had to deal with. Lotta people still regretting being manipulated into voting for trump or abstaining in areas their votes might have mattered.
WTF does this have to do with Putin? Where the fuck did that come from? I mean like… Wow. 😂
My guy, the massive majority of deaths in this genocide happened under a Dem administration, with almost unanimous bipartisan support. Rashida TlaibNd Ilhan Omar were literally the only Dems that opposed the genocide from the start. I repeatedly watched Biden spread blood libel lies from his campaign podium, against the very people he was enacting genocide against, saying he saw Hamas behead babies with his “own eyes”.
I absolutely think you should be opposing genocide, and that sure as fuck ain’t “voting harder”. Chump.
Where the fuck did that come from? I mean like… Wow. 😂
Everyone can see your post history by clicking on your name…
The images from 4chan aren’t helping.
Edit:
Neither are public modlogs apparently…
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=24353125
Lol “when you can’t attack the argument, attack the person making the argument”
Looks like you’re taking a page right out of the GOP playbook.
You should keep reading. There’s some good stuff in there.
I mean, it seem to mostly be recent bans for spreading Russian propaganda…
I don’t really need to scroll all the way thru
Ah, so Putin made me oppose genocide. Got it. 👍
Did Putin make you support genocide?
Fuckin’ Putin. Errrrggg… Make up your mind.
The DNC holds the ONLY anti-genocide and pro-Palestine politicians of any significance whatsoever.
They’re also the least hostile to the anti-genocide and pro-Palestine crowd by a COLOSSAL margin.
Why don’t you take your 2016 delusions and shove them up your ass?
How is that when they oversaw the massive lion’s share of deaths, all while giving unflinching support and weapons? FFS, Biden repeatedly told debunked blood libel lies against the very people he was enacting genocide against, all from his campaign podium, saying he saw beheaded babies with his “own eyes”.
Make it make sense to me. Are we even on the same planet?
Yeah, the genocide is still unfolding, and it’s been going on for 78 years.
Also, the DNC is only the leadership that gatekeeps actual progressives who would oppose genocide, the MOST genocidal ghouls of all the Democrats.
Oh okay, voting straight Republican to aid Palestine then.
Why would I do that? Are you an accelerationist?
If there is an anti genocide candidate on my ballot then I’ll vote for them.
You want to know where my line is? It’s genocide. I will not vote for a genocidal candidate.
My house rep is Emily Randall. I will not vote. Everyone on my ballot is genocidal, in the bluest of blue districts.
Take comfort in the fact that my vote never mattered anyways, like 90% of Americans in decided districts and states.
If it was up for a straight referendum vote then the genocide would end tomorrow, like so many other injustices, but instead we have unanimous consensus from our supposed representatives that’s diametrically opposed to the people’s actual popular democratic mandates.
Make that make sense.
This is not a democracy.
Man, you really do need to add sarcasm tags nowadays.
I take genocide dead serious. Is it funny to you? WTF?
I take genocide dead serious.
Although not seriously enough to bother voting apparently.
Wait until they find out that Israel actually knew the attacks were going to happen days in advance.
And in response, moved the Nova festival closer to Gaza, directly into the path of attack, extended the festival, and removed IDF defenses from the area.
Netanyahu definitely responded to the warnings he received.
I mean, Netanyahu didn’t just allows funds to be smuggled to Hamas thru Israeli checkpoints…
He personally solicited donations from other countries while promising to allow it 100% thru checkpoints, and actually kept his word.
Hamas exists for two reasons:
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To give Netanyahu a boogey man to justify canceling elections.
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To say that Palestinians can’t go wrn themselves.
It’s not just that they had Intel it was coming, today’s Israeli government is the only reason Hamas still exists or had the funds to carry it out.
So you’re probably right, but it kind of doesn’t matter because it’s definitely 1,000x worse than that.
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They have found out, it’s been in the news for weeks, nobody cares
Pieces like these are like if they talked about how sad Berliners were about the Reichstag fire 4 years into the Holocaust. And that fire was also a false flag like Oct 7th has been revealed to effectively have been.
Like, who really gives a fuck about the suffering of Israeli hostages as tens of thousands of Palestinians have been tortured, massacred, raped, starved, bombed, shot, etc?
Israel is the best case for a country that simply should not exist and cannot exist if we want to have anything even resembling peace and stability.
And not a single lesson was learned, by anyone.
I think the entire world learned the true genocidal nature of Israel’s very existence.
It needs to end.
An optimist I see.
In the long arc of history it is inevitable. The occupation is not sustainable. The Crusader Kingdom itself only lasted one century. I have little doubt that Israel will end before that long. The question is, will this apocalyptic cult of Zionism take all humanity along with it? It’s possible that all of our days are numbered.
Optimist? Maybe, maybe not.
Says someone simping for Russia and the glorious SMO.
You support Israel? Russia supports Palestinian liberation.
I support the democratic human right of self determination, same for Palestine as the Donbass.
Let people vote. It’s a simple rule I follow, applied even for our supposed “enemies”.
And our “allies”? America is arming over 80% of the world’s dictatorship, not Russia.
If you see democracy as a universal principle, and not a privilege enjoyed on the backs of the oppressed, not a selective cudgel to steal natural resources, then that makes America the least democratic nation on Earth.
Nobody should support Israel.
Just as nobody should support the russian invasion of Ukraine. It’s crazy how people can flip the narrative and start speaking about how Ukraine isn’t having elections as some kind of gotcha when the entire reason is due to the invasion from their neighbors to the east.
The US is fucked for sure, but it’s nothing even comparable to what’s going on in Russia.
I support the democratic human right of self determination, same for Palestine as the Donbass.
So, you disagree with what Russia is doing?
Sadly, the us is devolving into a similar state as Russia regarding “democracy” but Russia doesn’t even try to keep the façade going anymore regarding elections. The duma elections? Free and fair for sure….
One thing I can say is that at least the us puts a higher price on casualties of their armed services. Russia just using people as cannon fodder now…sending people out to their deaths by the thousands with zero regard.
Furthermore, regarding the Russian invasion of Ukraine… it’s funny how Russia is starting to get desperate and have escalated their attacks on civilians in response to getting nowhere on the battlefield. Sure they have always been conducting a terror campaign via blatant war crimes but it’s pulling out all stops now. Guess they are just upset the tides are turning as they continue failing to get any objectives complete for their “special military operation” lol
If you oppose Israel then I think you’re coming from a good place and you’re speaking earnestly. However, I do believe you’ve been misinformed. The war propaganda you’re repeating simply doesn’t match the realities. I’m not saying you’re lying, just that you’ve been lied to.
I would welcome discourse in good faith, and I’ll tell you exactly why I support what Russia is doing.
America creates the necessity for authoritarian rule. Nations are forced to turn to strongmen, elected or not, else we will destroy you, take all your natural resources, privatize your public institutions, force austerity, basically enslave entire nations within neoliberal feudalism. Blackrock owns Ukraine now. Look it up. Their grandchildren’s grandchildren will be paying off generational debt from predatory military and IMF loans. Annexation would make that disappear overnight.👍 And that’s just the start of what we want to do to Russia.
THIS is all you need to know about the West’s adversarial nature with Russia.👇
The RAND Corporation wrote a whitepaper that basically translates to “How to destroy Russia and take all their shit.”
Russia is more democratic than America, despite their defensive authoritarian tactics to stave off our own aggression. Putin is massively popular, with an approval rating higher than any modern U.S. President. I don’t think we get to chalk that up to “brainwashed Russians”, nor do we get to tell people they “voted wrong”, in Russia or Ukraine.
America arms over 80% of all dictatorships, not Russia. If you sincerely believe in democracy as a universal principle, then that makes us the least democratic nation in the world by far.
People can vote while a war is going on. That’s never been a thing. It was added to the constitution only after an unconstitutional coup. If they can vote in Euromaiden singing contests, they can surely determine their own destiny.
In regards to the war, it’s not Russia kidnapping men off the street to be pressganged into forced conscription. That’s Ukraine. Men can’t even leave to escape this fate. They’re drowning in rivers trying. They dress like old ladies just to go out in public. They can’t vote, they can’t leave, all opposition parties have been banned, all opposition media has been seized by the coup government. It’s victory or death, and no realistic person believes in the former as even remotely possible.
Over a million men have died in total. No one knows the exact amount. The “Discord Leaks” showed we are not being told the true number by Kiev.
This is what it looks like when you wage war against an adversary you still see as human. Russia is trying to liberate people they’re literally related to. More people have fled to Russia than any other nation, simply for the fact that they are Russian, brothers, sisters, cousins.
The Ukraine War has seen the lowest civilian death rate than any major conflict in modern history. Nothing even comes close. Compare that to Gaza, polar opposites.
If you really look at civilian deaths in total, Ukraine is the one more willing to attack civilian sites, even attack nuclear power plants.
When it comes down to it, Israel and Ukraine are both just fascist ethnostate proxies of Western imperialism.
Yes, the Palestinians and the people of the Donbass have much in common. The difference is that a major power is helping the Donbass people. And I’m glad. I wish Iran and Yemen could do more for Palestine, but they can’t.
Western imperialism has become an existential threat to all humanity. A multipolar world order may be our only hope.
Anyways, thanks for speaking to me in good faith. I hope you can at least examine the details of what I covered before dismissing me as a “Russian bot” or “gay for Putin” as a kneejerk response.
The RAND Corporation wrote a whitepaper that basically translates to “How to destroy Russia and take all their shit.”
Russia is more democratic than America, despite their defensive authoritarian tactics to stave off our own aggression.Nuh-uh, this is what a real democracy looks like :
Anyway, unlike the disinformation of these russian propaganda medias(, that our democracy fortunately censored to preserve our freedom), i know that Putler will die of his multiple cancers anytime now, despite being one of the richest man on Earth.
Ukraine is clearly winning by killing ten times more russians each day, they only need to recruit a few more valiant soldiers, just don’t believe these fake videos online.This reads like satire.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
Edit: This is satire. Thanks for the laugh, comrade.
There’s so much to unpack here that I don’t think it’s worth my time but starting from the very first thing and not going deeper…
I’ll tell you exactly why I support what Russia is doing. Because America…
Lmao. Yeah bro you support killing of civilians because America. Stfu
You are either a troll, evil, or just plain stupid and I honestly cannot figure out which one.
I support Ukraine because I believe they have a right to defend themselves and honestly I find it hilarious that they are getting the upper hand on the kremlin. Watching Russia fail in real time in such a spectacular fashion is amusing to me.
The gas station of the world cannot even provide their citizens with gas anymore lol. Fuckin great
He’s a very vocal pro-Kremlin shill. I won’t even call him pro-Russian because he specifically tries to state that Russia is a victim of the west, instead of being a victim of Putin.
He’s already gotten himself banned from c/politics lol
What civilians? Civilian deaths are almost statistically non existent.
Can I assume “unpack” translates to you coming to terms with your own cognitive dissonance?
For instance, what basis is Ukraine getting the upper hand? Could you point to any quantifiable justification for saying this?
More land is being liberated, albeit slowly to prevent collateral deaths. Headlines you see celebrate slowed Russian advances, not net gains for Ukraine. That’s not been true since Russian reconsolidated along the Donbass front years ago.
The Russian economy has only grown. The ruble is stable. Production is booming. Gas is $3.33/gal. What are you seeing that I’m not?
What informs anything you’re saying?
Is this an attempt at manifesting something into reality?
Do you think Russian soldier will read made up assertions and become too sad to fight?
What?
