I dislike the term Communism, as it’s associations with Stalinist thought muddies the waters between it and Fascism. I identify as socialist, myself.
What I take issue with is the fact that you support fascism and call it by a different name. I quite enjoyed “misinformation and hate” as a more direct statement. As an aside, go fuck yourself, fascist.
Communism is a post-socialist society where class has been eradicated and all production and distribution has been collectivized. Socialism is the transitional system between capitalism and communism. All socialism either moves towards communism, or falls backwards.
As for “Stalinism,” that doesn’t exist. Marxism-Leninism is an ideology, the one guiding Cuba, the PRC, former USSR, Vietnam, Laos, etc. Stalin’s contributions to it are extremely minor, the vast majority of Marxism-Leninism comes from Marx and Lenin.
Socialism, as it has historically existed, is by no means “fascism.” Equating the Soviets with the Nazis is a form of Holocaust trivialization. The communists represent the working classes, and always fight in their favor. The Nazis created an ideology based on racial supremacy, and cemented bourgeois rule with an iron fist. They are not at all equivalent, and to do so is immensely anti-socialist.
Stalin’s contributions to it are extremely minor, the vast majority of Marxism-Leninism comes from Marx and Lenin.
LOOOOLLLLLLLLL, Mao literally took direct inspiration from Stalin’s innovations over Leninism. Mao, whose version of “communism” was then propogated to most of those other countries you mentioned.
If “Stalinism” doesn’t exist, then neither does “Maoism.”
Your only hope in this conversation is that no one here knows enough about it to dispute your attempts at obfuscation.
What were Stalin’s innovations over Leninism? Be specific. Mao was a Marxist-Leninist, same as Stalin, carrying over Lenin’s ideology the way Lenin carried over Marx’s ideology. “Maoism” isn’t the ideology of Mao, but a deviation made by Gonzalo.
“Maoism” isn’t the ideology of Mao, but a deviation made by Gonzalo.
You mean, like, in the same way that “Marxist-Leninism” isn’t the ideology of Marx, but a deviation made by Lenin? (i.e., not Marxism).
What were Stalin’s innovations over Leninism?
Well for one thing, you say he coined the term that people today use to refer to Lenin’s ideology (not Marx’s, which is just “Marxism”).
For another thing, there’s literally everything that people like you ever say was “Stalin’s fault, not Lenin’s” when attempting to derail conversations away from “bad shit that happened under the USSR.”
Beyond that, I’m getting bored with you and I don’t feel the need to go dig up information that literally anyone can find easily, just to prove a point to someone who will ever accept facts and logic.
Marxism-Leninism is Lenin’s advances on Marxism combined with Marxism itself. It’s an update, bringing Marxism forward in time to the era of imperialism. “Maoism” was a deviation because it contradicted Marxism and was dogmatic. We can discuss the differences if you like, but you seem stuck here.
For another thing, there’s literally everything that people like you ever say was “Stalin’s fault, not Lenin’s” when attempting to derail conversations away from “bad shit that happened under the USSR.”
Don’t put words in my mouth, make an explicit claim. What were Stalin’s innovations over Leninism? I have a hunch that you have no clue what “people like me” say. Everything I have said is easily verifiable, yet you seem allergic to backing your own claims. Why not read Stalin’s Foundations of Leninism, and point to what Stalin himself invented rather than took from Lenin. You seem to give Stalin far more credit than he gave himself!
Go ahead, pretend you’re bored and not way in over your head with someone that actually knows a decent bit about Marxism.
I dislike the term Communism, as it’s associations with Stalinist thought muddies the waters between it and Fascism. I identify as socialist, myself.
What I take issue with is the fact that you support fascism and call it by a different name. I quite enjoyed “misinformation and hate” as a more direct statement. As an aside, go fuck yourself, fascist.
Communism is a post-socialist society where class has been eradicated and all production and distribution has been collectivized. Socialism is the transitional system between capitalism and communism. All socialism either moves towards communism, or falls backwards.
As for “Stalinism,” that doesn’t exist. Marxism-Leninism is an ideology, the one guiding Cuba, the PRC, former USSR, Vietnam, Laos, etc. Stalin’s contributions to it are extremely minor, the vast majority of Marxism-Leninism comes from Marx and Lenin.
Socialism, as it has historically existed, is by no means “fascism.” Equating the Soviets with the Nazis is a form of Holocaust trivialization. The communists represent the working classes, and always fight in their favor. The Nazis created an ideology based on racial supremacy, and cemented bourgeois rule with an iron fist. They are not at all equivalent, and to do so is immensely anti-socialist.
🤡
Excellent point, great job.
LOOOOLLLLLLLLL, Mao literally took direct inspiration from Stalin’s innovations over Leninism. Mao, whose version of “communism” was then propogated to most of those other countries you mentioned.
If “Stalinism” doesn’t exist, then neither does “Maoism.”
Your only hope in this conversation is that no one here knows enough about it to dispute your attempts at obfuscation.
What were Stalin’s innovations over Leninism? Be specific. Mao was a Marxist-Leninist, same as Stalin, carrying over Lenin’s ideology the way Lenin carried over Marx’s ideology. “Maoism” isn’t the ideology of Mao, but a deviation made by Gonzalo.
You mean, like, in the same way that “Marxist-Leninism” isn’t the ideology of Marx, but a deviation made by Lenin? (i.e., not Marxism).
Well for one thing, you say he coined the term that people today use to refer to Lenin’s ideology (not Marx’s, which is just “Marxism”).
For another thing, there’s literally everything that people like you ever say was “Stalin’s fault, not Lenin’s” when attempting to derail conversations away from “bad shit that happened under the USSR.”
Beyond that, I’m getting bored with you and I don’t feel the need to go dig up information that literally anyone can find easily, just to prove a point to someone who will ever accept facts and logic.
Marxism-Leninism is Lenin’s advances on Marxism combined with Marxism itself. It’s an update, bringing Marxism forward in time to the era of imperialism. “Maoism” was a deviation because it contradicted Marxism and was dogmatic. We can discuss the differences if you like, but you seem stuck here.
Don’t put words in my mouth, make an explicit claim. What were Stalin’s innovations over Leninism? I have a hunch that you have no clue what “people like me” say. Everything I have said is easily verifiable, yet you seem allergic to backing your own claims. Why not read Stalin’s Foundations of Leninism, and point to what Stalin himself invented rather than took from Lenin. You seem to give Stalin far more credit than he gave himself!
Go ahead, pretend you’re bored and not way in over your head with someone that actually knows a decent bit about Marxism.