As an American myself, I’ve asked several people this question. No one seems to know why either. Is it strategic position in the world? I don’t think they have anything the US can exploit besides that really. Am I missing something? Political arguing aside what exactly is the motivation? Thanks for any explanations.
Man! That’s a can of worms!
Entire books have been written on the subject.
The U.S.and Israel have a tangled history going back most of a century at this point.
The short answer is that there are enough historical, religious, and cultural ties for the two countries to be allies long term. Since the us, and by extension NATO, needed a place of projected power in the region, and there was an opportunity to make that happen, Israel happened.
And, being real, Israel has mostly been a reliable ally since its creation as a country. It’s hard to point to a time when Israel didn’t fulfill its expected role in the relationship.
As such, it’s really no surprise that when both countries have leadership that are absolute fascist pricks, that the governments would go whole hog in supporting each other.
Again, that’s the disgustingly short, over simplified version. I don’t have enough interest to turn it into an essay, nor even a discussion, just wanted to drop my take on the matter in a simple way since I didn’t see anything in other comments to just upvote and support with a subsidiary comment as being super close to the way I would say it.
You forgot the part where Christian fundamentalist believe Israel is one of the key components to triggering God’s apocalypse. They think it’ll send the world and rapture them into heaven. Never mind that is such a thing were real, that’s not where their own handbook says they’re going.
Didn’t forget it. Just left it at religious compatibility.
Israel is a neocolony that serves a vital strategic interest. The entire empire is held up by oil. Israel gives them say into how oil production is managed in the region. So many middle east countries feel inclined to play ball with the US because Israel exists. Anyone who sees the problem with this arrangement is strongly encouraged ($$$) to play ball also.
Dude came into my gym and said he gets to workout for free because god promised him a free membership 2000 years ago.
Did he also say this gave him the right to cancel other people’s memberships and start talking about his right to shoot anyone who is in the gym without his permission?
The US is a global arms manufacturer with a democracy attached, if there wasn’t an Israel to prop up the US would find something similar and arm it to the hilt.
The
USMilitary Industrial Complex gets to remind everyone why it’s a superpower, it gets to make and sell it’s weapons, survialiance tech, etc, it keeps it’s opponents weak and desperate but armed such that there is always fear to keep selling the forever war (both to the US, but also ton Israelis (and to a lesser extent to Jewish people living elsewhere)), by political maneuvering it gets to police feespeach.liberals/conservatives get to feel like they are not racist because they support a minority led country, who many don’t consider white in that context.
If it wasn’t Israel it could be a different proxy state in the middle East or maybe Africa/Asia.
IMO it has very little to do with Jewishness and a lot more to do with geopolitics, yes they use the Holocaust for propoganda 🤢, but they don’t give a fuck about Holocaust survivors. Also and this is small compared to committing genocide, but they’ve redefined the Holocaust to exclude all of the non-jewish victims which were historically included as recently as a decade ago in common usage of the term (e.g what I learnt in school, what was on Wikipedia, etc)
with a “democracy” attached
Israel has its own military industrial complex. It’s an even bigger portion of their economy. They’re a very high tech nation. ICQ, the predecessor of AOL Instant Messenger, was invented in/by Israelis.
Without the US pumping all our tax dollars into it they wouldn’t have the money for universal healthcare, free college and unlimited war and genocide
Are you sure about that?
Looks like the US gives Israel about $3B per year.
https://usafacts.org/articles/how-much-military-aid-does-the-us-give-to-israel/
Versus Israel’s GDP of about $700B
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Israel
I think the main form of aid is the access to US weapons and technology and that’s largely about subsidizing the US defense industry. I think I read somewhere that US aid to Israel is literally sometimes in the form of vouchers/coupons they have to spend on weapons/defense tech.
That’s not to say we shouldn’t cut off that aid when it’s used to commit atrocities. Just saying get the facts straight.
We’ve given them over 30billion in cash and military equipment since January 1st. Trump literally bypassed congress to gift them a new fleet of fighter jets. We shouldn’t be paying them jack shit because they obviously are doing better according than us to you
True, I don’t like the term globalist as it’s too often abused, but the fuckers profiting from these arms companies can live anywhere and don’t give fuck about either country beyod their ability to capture the governments and sell them weapons & tech.
There are stronger bonds between arms manufacturers regardless of nationality than those arms manufacturers and the people of the country the company is “based in”.
It presents a friendlier, strategic area to conduct attacks in the middle east for oil for the past century almost. As well as majority of them are white. In addition Israel lobbies the fuck out of our country to be friendly to them and their genocide.
AIPAC, and Zionist supremacists pay the most for elections every cycle, and just demand that their clients say nice things about Israel, and mean things about its enemies. Relative to other US oligarchy, the bribes to cash back ratio is small in most years. Because all US media is controlled for Zionist supremacist goals, it is far easier for all politicians and oligarchy to go along with Zionist genocidal absolutism, than to be labelled an anti-semite extremist.
Israel is an unsinkable aircraft carrier in the Middle East. The Middle East is full of oil and independent countries that the US would rather control as puppets.
Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Iran, Palestine, Lebanon - every country that doesn’t bend the knee gets bombed. Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Turkey, Israel - those countries that do bend the knee get limitless military support, regardless of how oppressive they are.
The US is intent in conquering the entire Middle East by force. Israel is not unique, it’s just the most firmly controlled US proxy.
Eh. The US really has no interest in actually conquering the Middle East. Outside the main US territories, the US is a trade empire, not a settler one. The US is never going to try and annex territory in the Middle East and make it a state. The US just wants to make sure the oil keeps coming out of the ground and that it keeps getting exported at an affordable cost. It’s primary goal is to prevent Middle East nations from using their oil for political leverage or for purposes other than export. It would have made a lot of sense economically for a country like Saudi Arabia to not get into the oil export business. Instead, they could have kept their oil domestic, built up a supply chain of value-add products, and export those. Instead of exporting raw oil, they could mainly export plastics, highly refined fuels, and the things made from plastics. But the West wants cheap energy, and they want the higher places on the supply chain.
It’s ultimately all about the oil. The day the oil runs out or the day oil is no longer needed, Israel will be abandoned and left to its own devices.
I call the US being able to dictate what happens to the oil as “conquest.” Of course they aren’t going to do formal annexation, there’s no reason to.
You can define things however you want, but words do have meaning. Conquest implies direct political control over a place.
Not really. There are plenty of cases in history where conquest results in establishing a tributary or proxy state. Japan conquered Manchuria in WWII, the fact that they set up a puppet government does not change that fact at all.
The word you’re looking for is annexation. I’m not “redefining” anything.
Yep and if Israel ceased to exist, the US would create one for this reason. Need some attack dog in the region to get the other Arab nations to do as they’re told.
profit, corruption, and the genuine belief that they need to protect Israel in order to go to heaven.
these are the same people that believe god has already determined exactly how they die so they can do anything - if they didn’t die, it was god’s plan.
they also believe god meant for the existence of poor people. blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth (while the rich and famous go to heaven)
they also believe god meant for the existence of poor people. blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth (while the rich and famous go to heaven)
Which is extra funny when you remember that Jesus explicitly stated that rich people don’t get into heaven.
what the bible actually says the rich can get:
Well, Mossad and also their tech companies (very slight difference there lol) are actually very good, so we have to buy spyware from them like palantir or else we can’t intrusively peer into the lives of everyone on earth on a mass scale, and Mossad also just happens to have pedobytes (pun intended) of video data showing our leaders fucking children on some random island totally random yes so they’re able to blackmail the US into being their little bitch. That’s it.
Yeah cause this relationship is only a few decades old lmao
This is also definitely the first guy with a secluded location, and the only current one.
Wtf does that even mean? The second ww2 ended the US finished the Nazis original plan, we fucking sent “the Jews” to a far away chunk of land, and have not stopped bending over backwards for them ever since.
Edit: Them as in Israel, not Jews.
Well the UK actually started it with the Balfour Declaration and a Rothschild (perhaps unsurprisingly) before WW2.
I also assumed we were talking about today not in 1917, and idk what blackmail they may or may not have been using back then.
My point was poorly communicated sorry. I was getting at how we helped set up Mossad between 49 and 51, and have not stopped. Since it’s founding we have supported them financially, we have freely shared research and data with them that we do not share with anybody else (one way, it’s not reciprocal), we have peddled their propaganda across the world and our own country, we allowed them to lobby our government despite it being illegal and not allowing any other country to do so in an open official capacity (yes, AIPAC started in 1954…and weirdly the first president that called it out had an unfortunate accident).
Ah I see. Well like I said idk what blackmail they may or may not have been historically using, but as for why we’re still doing it I stand by my answer. I’m willing to bet that a portion of it was sympathy for the holocaust at a certain point and then blackmail took over, but that still doesn’t explain pre-'30s zionist support from the UK (like the aforementioned Balfour Declaration).
Evangelicals and the Left Behind theory.
Both of them sponsored by the Jesuit Order.
I don’t think Jesuits would sponsor Evangelicals. They might have similar stupid goals of bringing humanity back into medieval times, but they are in completely different teams.
Ask Dallas Theological Seminary. They’ll basically admit that the Jesuits basically are behind their curricula.
This is the same with every bible college and seminary today.
My dad is in his 80’s and has been an atheist and hardcore liberal democrat for most of his life. The only political subject we’ve ever seriously butted heads on is Israel.
The last time we argued about it, his position was basically that, as a state, it had the right to defend itself from all the “hostile” countries around it. According to him, it even has the right to expand outward to protect itself by creating buffer zones. If Palestinians didn’t want their innocent children bombed to bits, all they needed to do was renounce Hezbollah and/or leave the area entirely.
I was pretty dumbfounded hearing him say this. He’s an avid reader and total history nerd, so to hear him hand-waving genocide was pretty shocking to me. I think it comes from growing up a boomer and a lifetime of deep-seated indoctrination that painted post-WW2 Jews as forever the good guy victims who are just struggling to recover from the atrocities of the past. A mindset that people born in the 70s, 80s, (and so on) just can’t relate to.
I know that doesn’t exactly answer your question, but I wrote this out as much for me as for you. I love my dad and he’s an extremely good person, so it’s pretty shocking for me to have this huge wedge issue between us. If he could learn to separate Jewish people from the state of Israel, he might understand, but frankly, at his age, I doubt he’ll ever come around.
I think it is as simple as it is far enough away that many “normal” people didn’t want to look into the details of it and the news wouldn’t cover the bad shit israel would do. I remember being content with that same narrative and sentiment your dad had, and I think it was just because I was focused on other things.
I mean, that’s the same rational the Russia has. buffer states, surrounded by hostiles, etc.
How does he feel about the war in Ukraine?
The element you are missing is basically white sympathy. Jewish peopel are white, democractic, and good. Arabs are non-white, non-democractic, and evil.
Religion
- There is one specific spot, Temple Mount/Dome of the Rock/Mount Moriah, that is the holiest (to Jews, Muslims and Christians) place on Earth. I can’t summarize everything, go read about it, its really interesting even if you’re not religious. Once you learn about it, you’ll be “holy shit, this will never get resolved”.
Geo-strategy
- Yes. It is right in the middle of two continents, Europe and Africa, and could be considered the gateway into Asia (from the West). After WWI, the Germans were defeated but so was the Ottoman Empire. The British filled that hole but after they got kicked around in WWII, their empire crumbled too. The Brits left Palestine and turned to the United Nations to leave some sort of “Western” influence in the area. United Nations made the 1947 partition map that created Israel and here we are (after a bunch of violence since then)
Profit.
It’s also the fear that someone else might take your profit. Honestly, I think this is the primary motivator for these obscenely wealthy types. No amount of more money will make a difference to their lifestyles, but they are utterly terrified of losing their hoards. A competitor might rise up and take it all away, or worse, the poors might gain class consciousness and demand it all back at the point of a gun.
Imperialism is an attack on two fronts. It puts more resources into the imperialists’ hands, but it also removes those resources from anyone who might oppose the imperialists.
The Middle East has always largely been oppositional to western imperialism, so Israel was created to make a beachhead from which they could destabilize the region.
There is three groups that guarantee support for Israel the imperialist side who have Israel as an ally to keep control on resources and trade routes. There is the evangelical side who believe the rapture would happen once Israel have total dominance on the region and finally just people who get the money from the lobbies to get in position of power and express dominance .
American are copping when they only focus on the evangelic because they refuse to acknowledge that the USA was always imperialist . People have tendency of wanting to be proud of their countries
It’s about economic and strategic interests for the US. These have held true for decades, across all kinds of US admininstrations, and predates any real evangelical fervor. The US is guaranteed Israeli support, since Israel depends entirely on the US for its existence. In the spirit of “the purpose of a system is what it does”, I don’t believe that the US ever disapproves of the horrors Israel commits. The US could exercise power whenever it wants, but it rarely if ever does. Of course, Israel has its own interests, but they rarely contradict US goals in the region.
