• terwn43lp@lemmy.world
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    2 hours ago

    there are people throwing raves on 9-11 in my city, you can tell you’re getting old when the most tragic event of your childhood is now a party day

  • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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    8 hours ago

    I’ll never forget the lies about WMD to justify killing 1 million Iraqis in an imperialist conquest of oil.

  • BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    Hot take incoming.

    Turns out, Bin Laden was right, we should have not become so deeply invested in the middle east like we have and should have left it. Militarily and essentially colonialism of territory for oil.

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      Not only was he right, but Bin Laden won, even if it killed him. The attack on 9/11 pulled out all the stops on ignorance, xenophobia, evangelicals in politics, the surveillance State, right-wing nationalism, and so much more. We wasted trillions of dollars on wars.

      The attack was a slow burn that took 20 years to collapse an “empire.”

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        Yeah, if the objective was to bait the USA into wars that would consume it then he definitely won.

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      The oil is just a nice bonus. What really drives the US wars are the weapons and ammunition sales

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        Ding ding ding! People say the US wastes money on defense; it doesn’t. The cost is the point. The MIC is just a fat fuckin straw for sucking up money into publicly traded companies, I.e. the stock market.

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          That was the Iraq-Iran War. We sold weapons to both sides, and then said: “Hey! You gonna let that guy say that about you?” and just sat back.

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    Never forget that our government allowed the actual perps leave the country and then claimed someone else did the deed so they could invade another country for oil. Also - gave them an excuse to take away our freedoms through security theater.

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        AI response, but it looks pretty solid…

        The post‑9/11 response in the United States did not abolish the Bill of Rights, but it shifted the balance toward government surveillance, secrecy, detention, and border control—often reducing privacy, due-process protections, and freedom from discriminatory scrutiny. Many powers were created or broadened through the USA PATRIOT Act, passed October 26, 2001, and later executive programs and immigration policies. ala

        Privacy and Fourth Amendment protections

        The largest practical loss was a weaker expectation that the government needed individualized, fact-based suspicion before collecting information or monitoring communications.

        • The PATRIOT Act expanded authorities for monitoring telephone and internet communications, accessing stored communications, and obtaining records such as banking and credit information. ala
        • Authorities could seek certain business records—including potentially library, bookstore, financial, medical, and internet-related records—under standards critics argued were below traditional criminal probable cause and with limited meaningful judicial review. aclu
        • “Roving” wiretaps made it easier to follow a person across changing devices or accounts rather than tying surveillance to one named phone line or device. This was designed for counterterrorism but increased the possibility of incidental collection involving people not suspected of wrongdoing.
        • “Sneak-and-peek” search powers allowed delayed notice of some searches: agents could enter, search, and sometimes seize property before telling the target. The principle affected was the normal expectation of prompt notice and the ability to challenge a search quickly. aclu

        A later reform, the USA FREEDOM Act of 2015, prohibited bulk collection under PATRIOT Act Section 215 and added some transparency and court-review mechanisms—an acknowledgment that earlier authorities had permitted collection at an overly broad scale. judiciary.house

        Due process and detention

        For noncitizens especially, post‑9/11 policy weakened the practical protection against being detained without prompt charges and a meaningful opportunity to contest the detention.

        • The government asserted broad authority to detain certain people designated “enemy combatants,” including arguments for detention without ordinary criminal charges or a conventional criminal trial.
        • Immigration-related changes and counterterrorism policy enabled lengthy detention of noncitizens suspected of terrorism-related activity, sometimes under conditions of secrecy or with restricted access to the normal procedural safeguards available in standard criminal cases. aclu
        • At Guantánamo Bay and in related military-detention practices, detainees faced years of litigation over whether they could challenge their confinement through habeas corpus—the fundamental right to ask a court to review whether the government is lawfully holding someone.

        The important distinction is that these restrictions were most severe for foreign nationals and people accused of links to terrorism. But legal precedents and government claims of executive power also raised broader concerns about how much judicial oversight could be bypassed in a declared national-security emergency.

        Equality, religious freedom, and movement

        Muslim, Arab, South Asian, Sikh, and immigrant communities bore a disproportionate share of the social and governmental consequences.

        • Federal investigations, immigration enforcement, watchlisting, and intelligence collection focused heavily on people from Muslim-majority countries or those perceived to be Muslim.
        • The result was a reduced practical freedom to travel without extra scrutiny, live free of government suspicion based on identity or association, and participate in civic life without fear that ordinary religious, charitable, or political activity could be interpreted as a security concern.
        • Programs that tracked foreign students and expanded scrutiny of immigrants created additional monitoring and administrative burdens on foreign nationals. ebsco
        • Airport security also became much more intrusive for everyone: searches, identity checks, limits on what could be carried aboard, no-fly and watch lists, and more extensive screening became normal conditions of air travel. These measures did not remove the right to travel outright, but made its exercise more conditional and surveilled.

        Speech, association, and secrecy

        Some freedoms were affected indirectly, through the risk or perception of surveillance rather than a direct legal ban.

        • When people believe their calls, emails, web activity, library use, donations, or organizational affiliations can be monitored, they may avoid controversial reading, political advocacy, religious association, or communication. This is often called a chilling effect on speech and association.
        • National Security Letters could compel businesses to provide certain customer information while imposing nondisclosure (“gag”) requirements. Later reform allowed challenges and required review of whether such orders remained necessary. judiciary.house
        • Secrecy around surveillance programs, watch-listing decisions, intelligence-court proceedings, and detention made it harder for affected people and the public to know what government agencies were doing, identify errors, or contest them.
          • echo@lemmy.today
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            3 hours ago

            I did read it. Don’t be such a fucking fool… You’re the new anti-vaxxer movement.

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                I will complain about people who choose to be really fucking stupid.

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                  Look, we can also ask an LLM just like you did, we’re fully capable of that. But this is a forum for humans. That’s why it’s expected that everyone write their own posts.

                • Anarki_@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                  And we’ll complain about sloperators polluting the Internet.

                  Besides, you couldn’t even bother to write the comment yourself. I wonder who is stupid.

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              If I wanted Claude or Jippity’s answer I’d ask them myself.

              Posting unfiltered slop makes you just as useful as people who post “let me Google that for you” links, except LMGTFY was usually funny and context appropriate.

              You’re the new “measles party” movement.

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                If I wanted Claude or Jippity’s answer I’d ask them myself.

                You could actually do everyone a favor by doing that. Do you lack the reading and comprehension skills to know if you’re getting something back that is suspect? If you had actually done that, then nobody would have to compile the well known and commonly available information for you.

                Posting unfiltered slop

                Ah, but it wasn’t unfiltered and, in this case, wasn’t slop.

                You’re the new “measles party” movement

                Tell me you don’t understand metaphors without telling me you don’t understand metaphors…

                • Anarki_@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                  me when I value people using clankers over their head

                  Slop is slop even if you add cinnamon.

                  Additionally, I didn’t ask you to compile anything 🙂

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    I never forget that the US gov created Al Qaeda by indiscriminately blowing up people in the Middle-East, and some of the murdered were friends & family of the three founders of the group. Cause and effect. If my friends and family get bombed for existing I’d also become a vengeful terrorist who spends a decade growing more powerful by connecting with other victims of state murder. I just like to think I’d be able to retaliate on the ones responsible and there to be no innocent casualties.

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      … The US created Al Qaeda by giving them weapons to fight the Russians for them, then abandoning them when they won at massive personal cost… They literally armed and funded Osama Bin Laden through Pakistan… That part isn’t even a conspiracy theory.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_assistance_to_Osama_bin_Laden

      The only “alleged” part is that the CIA didn’t DIRECTLY fund bin Laden… Only through Pakistan’s ISI (CIA equivalent)…

      Like I get the indirect creating your enemies through causing suffering and destruction in other nations. Like that’s valid for ISIS for example. But Al Qaida literally wouldn’t have existed without American money.

  • baguettefish@discuss.tchncs.de
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    I instead remember the Chilean coup of 9/11 1973, where Augusto Pinochet overthrew the democratically elected socialist government of Chile with the support of the USA.

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    I’ll never forget how my country let this happen, just so the Nazis I’m sorry Republicans can pass mass surveillance on we the people