Vegans aren’t a problem. Why would you care about what another person chooses not to eat?
Holier-than-thou vegans with pamphlet level arguments they force upon everybody are a problem.
Thankfully there aren’t too many of those around. Less than Jehova’s Witnesses, at least.
It does seem like America in particular has a cult of people hating on vegans, and I gotta ask; why do you think you’re better than them, if you’re expressing the same attitude as the worst kinds of vegans?
A lot of the vegan haters are uncomfortable with the moral issues with meat consumption and rather than seriously work through their feelings and try to figure out where they stand they just mock those who make them uncomfortable and conflate them to the most annoying of the group.
Very similar to people who haven’t worked out their religious trauma hating on even decent religious folks
moral issues with meat consumption
Why do you assume omnivores have any “moral issues with meat”? Your comment implies that vegan diet is somehow morally supreme, which is an utter rubbish. It is a dietary choice, the same as eating bread or not.
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everyone makes such distinctions. including vegans. they don’t care that animals are displaced by agriculture, killed in the protection of crops, or their harvesting.
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people can’t eat grass or silage. but that’s entirely besides the point. vegans don’t avoid plants that were protected from pests and scavengers. they decide to treat some animals differently for just as arbitrary reasons.
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I love this description of morality, but am curious about your opinion on the arbitrary decisions comment: do you feel that cultural tuning (often underpinned by cultural heritage and available food options) is an invalid way to select “acceptable” meats? No judgement, your comment just got me thinking
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And, there you go, as per the original comment above: “Holier-than-thou vegans with pamphlet level arguments they force upon everybody are a problem.”
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You are only “more moral” on the same level as Jehova Witnesses are somehow “more moral” than other religions.
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By quoting a pamphlet 🙄 And I don’t remember asking you anything.
That’s an interesting fallacy, I haven’t heard it before. I’ll have to note it down, “dismissal from imaginary pamphlet”
A lot of committed vegans I know don’t sweat over it if mistakes are made on the “vegan” menu. They advise the staff politely, discarding what they can by hand and eating that they can’t. Wasting a meal makes a mockery of the point of being a vegan in many ways.
This teenager possibly gets it. Dad is intentionally overdoing it. There is a lot we can learn about how to do better politics here. Perfection is the enemy of the good.
Edit: Obviously allergies and diseases are a whole other thing. There is a reason getting it right is still very important, but if that’s the case nobody is messing around, especially not Dad.
My wife has a milk allergy. Depending on the ingredient, it can go pretty bad. If they put regular cream in something, she might need to use her EpiPen.
There’s no grumbling or clarification that works. The server will almost always write down no milk, no cheese. Half the time, the kitchen will forget, mix up, or ignore it; sometimes, the server grabs the wrong thing from the warmer.
I have a milk allergy as well. I know her pain.
My I recommend getting into Asian food and trying vegan restaurants? Way less potential for accidents.
Oh we’ve been dealing with it for a long time now :)
She does a lot of vegan places when she can, when she can’t she tries to pick stuff that’s unmistakable.
For the most part it’s mexican food and subs where she gets screwed, it can be hard to tell crema from mayo and cheese from mayo
I remember hearing a dunk on vegans a while back that went “how do you know someone’s vegan? they’ll tell you.”
but in my experience it’s more like “how do you know someone hates vegans? they’ll tell you.”
The dad is making a big show of how much he supports his daughter… Yet still orders chicken?
(I know not all vegans demand others share their diet, but it would be a nice gesture for him to do)
Would it be as nice gesture if she was to share chicken with him?
TBF, her diet was an ethical choice, and his is probably an unexamined cultural default.
No, her being vegan is a dietary choice. No more or less ethical than being an omnivore or carnivore.
If you don’t see ethical differences between killing a live creature and not doing so, your ethical compass is basically non-existent.
the question is “why”. as in 'why would you kll it" and if the answer is almost any justification (for food, for clothing, for medicine), then it’s probably fine. everything dies and if their death serves some purpose, that’s good.
Hey, would you be fine if I kill you with a justification? For example, I like your stuff, will it be OK if I kill you and take your stuff? What if I also eat your leg, will it be better or worse?
Carl Cohen said “Speciesism is not merely plausible; it is essential for right conduct, because those who will not make the morally relevant distinctions among species are almost certain, in consequence, to misapprehend their true obligations.” and you are demonstrating this for everyone right here
“If you don’t see ethical differences between our real faith and other fake religions, your ethical compass is basically non-existent!”
Another evangelical vegan 🙄
You’re on the same level of evangelism, it’s just you’re advocating both for status quo, which is ew, gross, but also for killing animals, which is a bit evil.
killing animals, which is a bit evil.
Says who?
status quo, which is ew, gross,
Evangelical vegans are certainly unpleasant and deeply disturbed individuals. Not sure if I would call them gross though.
