A few days ago I made a post to gauge this community’s opinion on whether it should allow nice comics by bigoted artists. I think we have a consensus.

The majority of comments were very in support of banning comics by artists like Stonetoss and Jago. I heard from queer people who said they’d feel safer if the rules were changed. A lot of people were concerned about this community becoming a “Nazi bar”, the comment expressing that feeling got a LOT of upvotes.

The people against the change had two main arguments: anti-censorship, and personal responsibility. A few people equated active moderation practices with book burning. Nearly all of these “against” comments were downvoted or ratiod, and tended to have a lot of arguments underneath them, while the “pro” comments went uncontested.

On the internet, 10% of people will disagree with just about anything. With that in mind, I think we’ve reached a consensus. The community wants a rule change so that users can’t post inoffensive comics by bigoted artists.

That means no more Jago comics. I see a lot of people in the comments under the Jago posts, getting angry and saying they want this rule change. People aren’t happy with the user who’s posting all the Jago comics.

Mods, this is what we want. Please change the rules and get Jago’s comics outta here.

  • MrQuallzin@pie.eyeofthestorm.placeEnglish
    14·
    6 days ago

    People making mountains out of mole hills, hampering on those who don’t meet their purity tests. The usual.

    JKR is actively and vocally using HP profits for evil and is a good example in that comment.

    Scott Cawthon, from what I recall, has some conservative/right wing/whatever views, but hasn’t actively worked on harming the LGBTQ community. People hate him cause he’s not perfect.

    • hzl@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      31·
      6 days ago

      The evidence is literally above your post and was there three hours before you made it.

      • MrQuallzin@pie.eyeofthestorm.placeEnglish
        12·
        6 days ago

        I just took a look through all the comments on this post and I’m failing to see any evidence. Perhaps something didn’t federate properly and you can point me to what you’re talking about.

        Unless you’re talking about the comment 2 up from mine, the only comment on this post mentioning FNAF (and the comment on that, which is what I replied to). A person offhandedly saying that Scott’s a bad person is not evidence, it’s an opinion from an internet stranger.

          • MrQuallzin@pie.eyeofthestorm.placeEnglish
            1·
            5 days ago

            Thank you for providing an article.

            TL;DR Scott made poor donation choices, prioritizing what he thought was important in the country while failing to see the actual humans being targeted by those people. He did not do so maliciously or with intent to harm, neither has he taken any direct action to do any harm himself. He made poor choices, was rightly punched in the face by the community at large, and he seems to have bettered himself since then. We should celebrate when someone gets back on the path of good, instead of continuing to hit them for mistakes made that have already been resolved.

            I recall reading that when it was first published, along with Scott’s response and subsequent resignation on Reddit. I’ve taken some time to look for something more recent since it’s been a few years now, such as allegations of harm or direct actions he’s taken, or even someone watching his donation habits nowadays, and I still can’t really find anything. It seems like the majority of LGBTQ people he worked with, both at Steel Wool and elsewhere like some of the books, have put this business behind them and are working together.

            From his Reddit response (Archived by KnowYourMeme with commentary. Source on Reddit is still available as well):

            I’m a republican. I’m a Christian. I’m pro-life. I believe in God. I also believe in equality, and in science, and in common sense. Despite what some may say, all of those things can go together. That’s not an apology or promise to change, it’s the way it’s always been.

            I find this response to be pretty level-headed.

            Obviously saying you’re a Republican today isn’t a great thing to say (And many here in the federated world would say it was never a great thing to say). In 2021 though, people were still learning about the wool pulled over their eyes and questioning their beliefs, politics, ideologies. I don’t know if he’d still call himself a Republican today, but just the one single label doesn’t say much anymore (Is someone calling themselves a Republican actually MAGA, part of some other right wing group, or just fiscally conservative and is too harsh on immigration policy?). If you’ve got anything showing his stances of political topics, I’ll gladly take a look.

            We’ve also got this quote from the same Reddit post:

            I’ve never cared about anyone’s race, religion, gender, or orientation. I just treat people as people, everyone the same, and because of that, I’ve ended up with a very diverse group of people that I’ve worked with over the years.

            This is pretty common to hear as well from people who just lack the ability to see the harm from indirect actions (It’s shared by a lot of anti-DEI idiots as well, but I do see this as different from them). By not caring about the specifics of a person, you also don’t care to learn about the policies being introduced that may be directly affecting them.

            My takeaway is that he was just ignorant, and I do not believe he was willingly ignorant but just plain ignorant. Nobody fully made him realize what was happening under the surface of our gold-covered shithole of a country, and it took shoving it in his face to make him see what’s happening, and make better informed choices in the future.

            Calling him out for the shitty donations was proper. People often just want to leave it at that and will always be angry at him for his actions, but I believe that people can be better than they were before and I do believe he has done so. Since I fail to see any actual harm that’s come from this (Specifically directly from him and actions he’s taken since the reporting, since both Scott and ourselves know the damage done from the previous donations), I see no reason to keep bringing this up.

            Back to TheFogan’s comment, and the specific part I had an issue with:

            it’s also unquestionable that the profits that the works make, are used to bolster hate against these groups

            It is absolutely questionable! In JKR’s case, we have ample evidence that she simply does not care about the harm she does and is very vocal about certain groups who she’d like to not exist. I agree that there is no question in regards to the harm the profits of Harry Potter are doing to the LGBTQ community.

            Scott on the other hand, from everything I’ve seen, is decent. I likely do not agree with some of his political issues (And just saying Republican doesn’t say anything about a single issue), but I fail to see him, Steel Wool, or anyone working in the FNAF universe taking the profits and turning them against their own community.

            Comparing FNAF to HP, or Scott to JKR, is laughable.