“This is why I stood aside and let the fascists win”
-the American left
I love how orange that thread is for me when I open it. All the upvotes.
As opposed to Trump, who has definitely had multiple strokes while in office. Trump has appeared in public multiple times with his face looking like it’s melting off his skull, and that somehow hasn’t been front page news. Really demonstrates quite well who the media is actually catering to.
A call to enforce an age limit on holding publice offices.
This is dumb as fuck. He stuttered but didnt seem like he was going to have a stroke. He was more lucid and coherent in that debate that any trump interview in the past few years. The article makes her statement sound much worse than the clip.
Hes an old guy with a stutter trying to explain policy against a guy farming sound bites and nonsense one liners. She was probably terrified because she realised the American public was dumb enough to actually fall for trump.
I still to this day think if you watched that debate and came away thinking trump won or looked like a better presidental candidate you are mentally cooked and have zero ability to critically evaluate reality. You should seriously introspect on why you were convinced by such incoherent responses and such obvious lies. This is directed to the people on the left because its expected that maga people are that stupid.
you are the one incapable of being objective. trump may be a dipshit but in that debate biden demonstrated that he wouldn’t be able to run a cash register at walmart, let alone the country.
When i watched that debate between two candidates I would not have worried about biden but trump presented a real threat.
You entirely missed the point: both of these geriatrics were too old to hold public office, at any level. Both have severe cognitive decline and dementia. There was no debate winner, just a country of losers.
I think you are missing the point. I will reiterate, if you watch that and came away thinking anything other than biden was the better choice for president then you’re an idiot.
Call me stupid, but
Making sure that we’re able to make every single solitary person eligible for what I’ve been able to do with the… COVID… Excuse me, with dealing with everything we have to do with… look… if… we finally beat Medicare.
Is not something that should ever come out of the mouth of the guy who has the nuclear codes.
Its a single jumbled sentence at the end of a relevant response in an hour and 20min debate. Its obvious he mixed up covid and medicare. Pick any response from trump and it was infinitely more stupid in quotes and in context. That quote from biden is a mistake and obvious to anyone with a functional brain that “beating Medicare” was not the point he was making. Trump was giving infinitely worse responses and they weren’t a slip of the tounge or mixing up words. He just unironically is that fucking stupid. So I will not sit here and pretend like these two things are equal.
If that is all it takes to convince you biden lost the debate then you are mentally cooked and I can’t phrase it any kinder without getting banned.
If you want to say biden won but you think hes to old to run thats fine but its not what I’m stating here. I’m specifically attacking people who thought biden lost the debate against trump.
There were over a dozen media conferences where Biden was incoherent, showing aphasia as bad as Trump does now.
US has to get over this old man fetish.Same with Trump
That quote from biden is a mistake and obvious to anyone with a functional brain that “beating Medicare” was not the point he was making
So, I don’t have a functional brain apparently. I don’t see what point he could possibly be making here. What do you think he’s talking about?
Anyway, here’s what Biden said when asked about abortion during the debate:
There’s a young woman who was just murdered and he went to the funeral… The idea that she was murdered by an immigrant coming in, they talk about that.
By the way the dots are not omissions, they’re him pausing and kind of gazing in the distance.
You thought that Biden talking about increasing taxes on the rich to continue his expansion of medicare and other healthcare schemes was intended to be ended with him saying that he beat medicare? Thats impossible. At worst you don’t know what he intended to say in that last sentence but understand his answer about increasing taxes on rich people from 7% to 25% then using that money to fund the social programs. He was talking about what he was able to do with medicare expansion and said covid by mistake got detailed and then finished with his last part of the argument which (I assume because he didnt make it) was beating big pharma
Here is the full response in text:
spoiler
He had the largest national debt of any president four-year period, number one. Number two, he got $2 trillion tax cut, benefited the very wealthy.
What I’m going to do is fix the taxes. For example, we have a thousand trillionaires in America – I mean, billionaires in America. And what’s happening? They’re in a situation where they, in fact, pay 8.2 percent in taxes. If they just paid 24 percent or 25 percent, either one of those numbers, they’d raised $500 million – billion dollars, I should say, in a 10-year period. We’d be able to right – wipe out his debt. We’d be able to help make sure that – all those things we need to do, childcare, elder care, making sure that we continue to strengthen our healthcare system, making sure that we’re able to make every single solitary person eligible for what I’ve been able to do with the COVID – excuse me, with dealing with everything we have to do with. Look, if – we finally beat Medicare.
Timestamped clip (yes it hurts to see the goat stumble). https://youtu.be/qqG96G8YdcE?t=658
I can admin Biden isnt a rap god out there. But I dont know how people have mindfucked themselves this hard that they are trying to argue that its a sane opinion to think he lost. I don’t think Biden lost but I understand that more Americans would be convinced by Trump because a lot of Americans are really really fucking dumb. So say that you are convinced by whoever is the more confident speaker and accept that you are stupid. A debate should be judge on how the candidates answer the questions. There is not a single question where Trumps answer was coherent or good. Bidens answers were good, he used examples of policy he had already implemented to address the issues and then he talked about how he was going to continue expanding that policy to target the problem. Thats what you want in a president. Trump literally just said “Everything was good in my presidency and bad in his” and im expected to not insult people who thought he was cooking?
As for the 2nd bit https://youtu.be/qqG96G8YdcE?t=949 he doesnt pause for more than a few seconds. Please remember that this is an 80 something year old man with a stutter. Now Trump is also old and just as senile so we cant act like that was the deciding factor.
Let me remind you Trump refused to admin he lost an election, lied in almost every single one of his claims, was unable to stay on topic for a single question and used Palestinian as an insult. So when people tell me that Biden lost because he stuttered a few time I can only expect that they are actually dumber than my guinea pig who cant decide between eating hay and a carboard box.
Here’s another one
I’m going to continue to move until we get the total ban on the — the total initiative relative to what we’re going to do with more Border Patrol and more asylum officers
How much copium did you take that you must deny what even the man’s own wife will admit to on television? The guy wasn’t all there, mentally speaking. That doesn’t make Trump better; I’d prefer an autopen over a fascist any day of the week. But don’t deny what was plain to see for the entire nation. It’s just silly.
Ok explain how thats worse
You explain how answering a question about abortion with vague ramblings about immigration is a stutter.
It was when he wasn’t speaking that was the big problem. He looked like lost pop-pop.
Jon Stewart at the time called it “Resting 25th Amendment Face”.
He didnt look lost to me. Yeah he made facial expressions. He looked like he was shocked by what trump was saying because it was shocking stuff to say during a presidential debate. Jon Stewart made fun of it because hes a comedian doing a comedy show.
This was the one that killed me… “Who am I? Where am I? Why am I here?”
It doesn’t take a bigot to know that Biden’s performance that night was piss poor and though Trump was, as you said, farming sound bites and nonsense one-liners, appeared a lot more confident and coherent than Biden.
It’s politics; that shit does matter despite knowing what we know. I felt that we were doomed that night.
Enough of us felt that way that they got Biden to step down for Kamala to continue the race; it revitalized the democratic party for a while until Biden’s fuck-up campaign team got her to be almost as flat as Biden.
Is that what annointing Kamala did, revitalize the party? Sure buddy.
It did revitalize support for the party for a short while, primarily because of some progressive messaging, which the entire electorate (both R and D) responds to really well actually. But then the Harris campaign dropped that and started saying things like that they’re in favor of fracking, started bragging about how Biden kept building Trump’s wall, denying the affordability crisis, saying that the expansion of Israel is very important to the US, and saying that she would ensure America has “the most lethal fighting force in the world” (her words). And the funny thing about those policy positions is that if you believe that that’s the direction the country should be heading in, there was a perfect candidate for you, and it wasn’t Harris. So all they managed to do there is alienate democrats who are politically literate and care about things like the environment, worker’s rights, humane treatment of undocumented immigrants, and not doing a genocide.
Harris was the result of Biden sitting out on the shelf way past his expiry date.
You misunderstand. I agree Kamala represented everything the wrong the party has and still does. But there’s no doubt the vibes shifted initially when she first entered the race, and had successfully gotten people for a moment to think we had a real shot at winning. That’s what I mean by revitalize.
It did not last long. I do not sympathize with the diet-maga apologists who put the blame on the voters in a representative democracy. Hence:
for a while until Biden’s fuck-up campaign team got her to be almost as flat as Biden.
Edit: unless you mean it should’ve been Buttigieg and Shapiro or something. If that were the case, I’d kindly say go fuck yourself.
I mean it without a doubt did. I’m not sure what reality you were living in.
I’m glad you asked, I’m in the reality where Kamala Harris was the most unpopular choice they could possibly choose.
She was the most popular candidate by every metric at the time and in hindsight. So I can only assume its not our current reality you’re living in.
Its fine to say it wasnt his best preformance or it was a disappointing preformance. Its fine to want him to step down and let Harris run.
Its not fine judge a debate between presidential candidates off who appears more confident. If you find confidently stating a lie to be convincing then you’re cooked.
Also there is no argument that trump was more coherent that night. He couldn’t answer a single question on topic and none of his responses even made logical sense Compared to biden who answered every question on topic with an in depth relevant logical reply. A lot of people relive the debate via foxnews clips but thr context behind the clips isnt bad. The “we finally beat Medicare” clip should not be considered an own to anyone over 12.
You realize pointing out how bad Trump was makes Biden even worse right? The fact random non sequitur appeared competent next to Biden was massive problem.
No I dont realise. Can you explain?
Not how world works as right as you may be. Biden, aside from that poor performance (key word) , was an uninspiring candidate that fumbled politically along the way before this debate, and this was the final straw for many people. Politics isn’t as simple as a logical deduction.
That’s without touching on the good things he did nobody heard about, economically speaking, and the bad things he did a sizable amount of people knew about, that being the failure to uphold international law because of a double standard held for “our greatest ally”
There seemed like there was something cognitively wrong with him. My husband and I watched and our jaws were both hanging open by the way he seemed to have stage fright or freezing or whatever. Maybe bad med reaction, dehydrated, UTI etc.
We finally killed medicare, it was touch and go for a while. Stupid old people, they are all like, I don’t want to spend my life savings on routine medical care, so annoying. /s
The worst debate performance used to be Ford with “There is no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe.” Biden at least matched that with “We beat Medicare.”
Biden shouldnt even be in the same sentence as ford. Ford was actually arguing that there was no soviet domination of eastern Europe and ended it with that quote. Even though I dont think that was that has either.
Biden was not arguing that they had beat Medicare. No one listening to bidens who response would misunderstand his point and think that was anything more than a misspeak. The only reason people would get that opinion is because thats how it was framed when it was replayed via clips.
Every single one of trumps Trumps answers is so stupid. When asked about tariffs he states that it will force china to pay the us a lot of money. That makes no sense and if it was said during a time of higher citizen IQ would be immediately disqualifying.
I thought it was well past their bed time. Maybe set up a debate earlier if you have 2 elderly humans.
Or maybe stop running mummified geriatrics for top leadership positions. We need a maximum age limit for holding federal office of any kind, let’s say 65 to start a term.
1000% Can’t have ppl managing country that have no stake in long term.
We used to trust that such a person would think of the world they’d be leaving behind for their grandchildren. Or at least their legacy. What naive fucking morons we were (and some of us still are, apparently).
Learned that lesson the hard way even with our own personal lives.
My grandma is soo off the rails and volatile recently she threatening to burn down the house. Same age as american president. Like wtf ppl her age running country.
