“Ruining discipline”, ha! What idiocy.
Suggesting that working from office is the right way and anything that deviates from it is “ruining” something.
How about the people working from the office are “ruining discipline” of the remote workers by taking decisions behind closed doors? No? Seems unfair?
Maybe let people work the way they work their best except for very specific circumstances instead, and stop blaming structural failures within companies against remote workers.
I worked in a traditional office environment for the full decade before the pandemic, and I was constantly being distracted by “undisciplined” people. There was always someone having a loud conversation in a quiet workspace or coming to my cubical to interrupt me with pointless bullshit.
Going full remote has finally isolated me from the lack of discipline in office environments.
Yeah, we were all sitting in the office with headphones to isolate from the office noise and distractions so we could concentrate and getting work done.
Can confirm. Was stuck in an “open office”. It was hell on earth until they decided to build brand new offices for the sales team… Because why the fuck not
we had a massive no wall cubical farm. To get rid of noise they hung active noise canceling speakers above our cubes. There were times you couldn’t even hear yourself breathing. Was TOO quiet.
I like the way my office does it. All the engineers and drafters are on the ground floor. The sales guys work in a loft at the back of the building. We keep them in the attic like they would keep dementia patients in the attic back in the olden days.
Yes, convenience is often ruining discipline, not for me (ASD) and perhaps not for you, but social ties form between coworkers. That part about behind closed doors - see, they always will.
I mean, we live in a society. Not seeing the faces of the others is a weakness. It’s not all about work.
Important meetings and decisions should be made with remote workers present and with their full participation. If your team frequently cuts people out and is prone to forming cliques of in-groups and out-groups, return to office won’t help you. Those same middle school politics happen in entirely in-person offices. People get cut out and isolated whether remote or in person when management decides their input isn’t valuable.
How is it a weakness? If anything it seems like it would help address inequity in how people are treated based on race, age, gender if people are interacting more anonymously, and maybe we could also dispense with this whole coworkers are a family bs that is meant to instil loyalty to a company that doesn’t care about you and offset a lack of work life balance
I have never found that face to face interaction caused people to act nicer. If anything all of my face to face jobs I have had coworkers drop the ball countless times where the next person in the chain gets screwed over. It was more demoralizing when you confronted them because they don’t give a shit unless THEY are geting screwed.
But most people aren’t malicious. Rather, most are dumb and incompetent which causes most of the issues. They don’t think about the sequence of events required to get a multi-person project completed. They don’t think about how many people are behind them and that when you are slow or late to get your job done or you do it poorly that it affects others.
I can think of numerous times when the first few people in a project took their sweet ass time getting their part done while not working after hours causing me to have to stay late because I was the last step and had a hard deadline. This type of shit happened regardless of our proximity.
“Ruining discipline”, ha! What idiocy. Suggesting that working from office is the right way and anything that deviates from it is “ruining” something.
How about the people working from the office are “ruining discipline” of the remote workers by taking decisions behind closed doors? No? Seems unfair?
Maybe let people work the way they work their best except for very specific circumstances instead, and stop blaming structural failures within companies against remote workers.
I worked in a traditional office environment for the full decade before the pandemic, and I was constantly being distracted by “undisciplined” people. There was always someone having a loud conversation in a quiet workspace or coming to my cubical to interrupt me with pointless bullshit.
Going full remote has finally isolated me from the lack of discipline in office environments.
Yeah, we were all sitting in the office with headphones to isolate from the office noise and distractions so we could concentrate and getting work done.
Can confirm. Was stuck in an “open office”. It was hell on earth until they decided to build brand new offices for the sales team… Because why the fuck not
we had a massive no wall cubical farm. To get rid of noise they hung active noise canceling speakers above our cubes. There were times you couldn’t even hear yourself breathing. Was TOO quiet.
I like the way my office does it. All the engineers and drafters are on the ground floor. The sales guys work in a loft at the back of the building. We keep them in the attic like they would keep dementia patients in the attic back in the olden days.
Yes, convenience is often ruining discipline, not for me (ASD) and perhaps not for you, but social ties form between coworkers. That part about behind closed doors - see, they always will.
I mean, we live in a society. Not seeing the faces of the others is a weakness. It’s not all about work.
Important meetings and decisions should be made with remote workers present and with their full participation. If your team frequently cuts people out and is prone to forming cliques of in-groups and out-groups, return to office won’t help you. Those same middle school politics happen in entirely in-person offices. People get cut out and isolated whether remote or in person when management decides their input isn’t valuable.
Sorry, but as far as I have seen, not having what you called that at all is a precious rarity.
How is it a weakness? If anything it seems like it would help address inequity in how people are treated based on race, age, gender if people are interacting more anonymously, and maybe we could also dispense with this whole coworkers are a family bs that is meant to instil loyalty to a company that doesn’t care about you and offset a lack of work life balance
Because those who see each other’s faces coordinate closer socially and might eat you. We live in a society, not a friendly place sometimes.
I have never found that face to face interaction caused people to act nicer. If anything all of my face to face jobs I have had coworkers drop the ball countless times where the next person in the chain gets screwed over. It was more demoralizing when you confronted them because they don’t give a shit unless THEY are geting screwed.
Not nicer. Just you’d be more likely to see those going to backstab you deliberately. OK, everyone has their own opinion
But most people aren’t malicious. Rather, most are dumb and incompetent which causes most of the issues. They don’t think about the sequence of events required to get a multi-person project completed. They don’t think about how many people are behind them and that when you are slow or late to get your job done or you do it poorly that it affects others.
I can think of numerous times when the first few people in a project took their sweet ass time getting their part done while not working after hours causing me to have to stay late because I was the last step and had a hard deadline. This type of shit happened regardless of our proximity.
An it sounds like it might be part of this so called problem in society. You can’t make the world a better place without starting.