“US President Donald Trump on Wednesday delivered an incoherent primetime address in which he threatened to bomb Iran “back to the Stone Ages” while also claiming negotiations to end the conflict were ongoing, remarks that provided no clear indication of when or how the illegal war of choice would end.
“Trump’s speech marked his first major address on the war since the US, in partnership with Israel, started bombing Iran more than a month ago, without congressional approval and in violation of international law. A day after declaring that Iran “doesn’t have to make a deal” to end the war, Trump said during his Wednesday speech, “If there is no deal, we are going to hit each and every one of their electric generating plants very hard and probably simultaneously”—a grave war crime.
“Collin Rees, US campaign manager at the advocacy group Oil Change International, said in a statement that “Trump’s rambling lies can’t conceal how his reckless, illegal war of aggression is sending energy prices for working families through the roof.””
Kamala was offered a choice between funding a genocide and preventing [whatever scary thing is in the headline]. She chose genocide, and she lost.
Leftists cost her the election and you’ll damn right we’ll do it again - unless you answer to our simple demands of ensuring the dem candidate is not an unabashed genocider.
Trump promised genocide. Kamala said she’d do everything to stop genocide but wouldn’t stop selling weapons.
Americans chose the bigger genocide. The lesson from the last election is the politician that promotes the most death wins the election.
The lesson that the Democratic party should have learned is that “only a little bit of death and destruction” is not an effective counter-message to maximum death and destruction. Harm reduction is a good practice, but if that’s the only moral argument you can make in favor of your candidacy you’re going to lose and have only yourself to blame.
But it fucking should be. I would also agree that no death and destruction is all that is acceptable. It’s really disheartening that that was not a realistic choice. But if you’re on the trolley heading towards total death and destruction and pulling the lever takes you to a little bit of death and destruction, you pull that fucking lever. You don’t take the “moral high ground” and tear down the Trump tracks while criticizing the other option for not being a good enough choice and take your passengers with you. It mystifies me that anyone on the left disagrees with that.
Perfect is the enemy of good. And good is the enemy of better. If you have no good choice, you pick the better choice. Period.
Kamala Harris tried to please everyone. She tried to please those who supported Israel by saying Israel has the right to defend itself. She tried to please those who wanted Israel to stop bombing in Gaza by saying Israel should be more careful with its bombing. Trump clearly stated he supported Israel and got the support of those who favored Israel. Those who didn’t support Israel chose not to support Harris because she didn’t commit to opposing Israel’s actions in Gaza. Harris disregarded one of Aesop’s Fables. See https://discover.hubpages.com/literature/The-man-the-boy-and-the-donkey-Aesops-fables-retold
Exactly. Try to please everyone, you’re not gonna please anyone.
Also, a woman of color unfortunately just means starting a step back.
The moral of the story is leftist candidates are great but many leftist voters are too stupid to vote.
Are you phrasing this as an indictment of american politics and culture, or as a lesson dems should learn from going forward?
None of the data suggests that leftists had any significant impact on her loss.
Nor is there any evidence that her laugh caused her defeat.
The point is that the liberal has to choose: did the “moral high ground” leftists cost her the election, and thus have the power to sway elections - or did the leftists NOT have the power to sway the election, and thus liberals should be quite about the “moral high ground” leftists?
Edit: and your point is also dubious. It’s known that Kamala’s refusal to break from Biden’s policies was a huge part of what cost her the election - bad enough that the DNC was recently in the news for hiding the Kamala campaign autopsy.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/kamala-harris-gaza-2024
Thank you for this!
I’ve said it before, and I’m happy to repeat it now, I really wish I lived in the country you’re talking about, where people cared more about other people than themselves, but we really don’t. We can probably cherry pick stats all day (lies, damn lies, statistics), but 54% of Biden->Someone not Harris voters said her Gaza policy made no difference. 10% said it’d make them less likely. That’s 64% of that uncaptured demographic that chose someone other than her for a completely unrelated reason. Other top 3 issues: 24% - The economy 12% - Medicare and Social Security 11% - Immigration and border security
Seems like those are people who want less of dem policies, not more of them. Also, the above is just voters who voted for not Kamala. There were plenty of people who stayed home because they simply didn’t like her (black/woman/maybe Israel policy) and didn’t care enough to vote for someone else.
To be clear, anyone blaming leftists is just whining. Kamala failed to do the thing she was supposed to (win) and they see that as other people’s fault and not hers. At the end of the day she either got the votes or she didn’t. If they think there’s nothing she could’ve said/done to get the leftist vote, then they don’t have to blame her. In reality, she could’ve EARNED those votes and she didn’t. Maybe it would’ve cost her other votes. I don’t know for sure, but either way it was her decision and she chose not to.
Source of poll from your article: https://www.imeupolicyproject.org/postelection-polling
Also, pretty sure the laugh thing is a meme. They used the sarcasm indicator, so I’m pretty sure they’re being glib.
The Democrats haven’t learned anything. And Republicans will only present more unhinged candidates. The system needs to be overhauled ground up.
Hard agree. Taking a step back and having the revelation that your electoralism means definitive genocide no matter who’s in power should not be a reason to dig in and defend your electoralism. It should be reason to tear everything down.
Otherwise, youre taking the stance that Palestinians have a duty to allow themselves genocided to buy yourself time for more political waffling.
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You’re not the only problem. But you are sure as shit one of them.
As am I. My desire to vote third party is unshakable.
Hell yeah, brother. I stand next to you. Proudly. I was hated on Lemmy for proclaiming this back during the '24 election, but I didn’t change my mind. Glad to see more and more people willing to stand up and say it.
Right on.
Admitting you have a problem is the first step
And what if I have a problem, and willfully and intentionally do the wrong thing by voting third party anyway?
Are you voting in the primaries?
Absolutely. I use the Democratic ballot.
And if the candidate(s?) you vote for won the primaries, you’d be willing to support them in the general election as well?
Yep. Pretty much. It would be one of those rare times I vote for one of the Big Two.
What’s even the point of asking that?
Answers will be in the 2 camps of “vote anyways” or “you shouldn’t be able to”. Seeing as one of these is a blatant bad answer, anyone you ask with a brain will just say some variant of “you do you”.
So again I ask, why even ask your question?
It’s never a waste to see what the Blue No Matter Who people say to try and get me to vote for their guy.
It’s your prerogative to vote against all rationality and your own interests. Just know that you’re doing absolutely nothing of value.
I find it valuable, therefore it is. QED
If you don’t find it of value to contribute to preventing Trump, fascism, war, mass deportation, destruction of science and healthcare and justice, further wealth concentration, etc. well, your choices are rational from your perspective, I guess. Wrong, and misguided, but rational.
Excellent. Thanks.