MJ calls what happened to her in Zion national park “small ‘T’ trauma”. She knows women have experienced worse from their partners. But she still feels the anger of being left behind on a hike by her now ex. “It brings up stuff in my body that maybe I have not cleared out yet,” she said.

Five years ago, MJ and a new partner – he was not exactly her boyfriend, and the pair were not exclusive – traveled from Los Angeles to Utah for an adventure getaway. MJ, who is 38 and works in PR, was looking forward to exploring Zion’s striking scenery; its vast sandstone canyon and pristine wading trails were on the list. But on the morning of their big hike, MJ was not feeling well. She could not shake the feeling that something was “off”; indeed, MJ would learn on this trip that her partner was seeing other women.

As they made their way up Angel’s Landing, MJ’s partner started walking faster than her. “I could tell it was getting on his nerves that I was slow,” she said. “I was like, ‘Fuck it, just go ahead of me.’” He did without hesitation.

When she caught up at the top of the mountain, they took a picture together. Then her partner hiked down the mountain with a woman he had met on the way up, leaving MJ to finish by herself. They broke up shortly after that trip. (MJ asked to be referred to by her initials for the sake of speaking openly about a past relationship.)

Last month, MJ opened TikTok and heard the phrase “alpine divorce”, a label she now attaches to her experience in Zion.

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        They’re told that all the time and they don’t listen or care because they are shitty.

        Everyone who rewards their shitty behavior encourages it.

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          As does everyone who ignores their shitty behaviour.

          I will say that us women get pretty fucking tired of often being the only ones to speak up tho.

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            Yes. We really need more men to call each other out for this shit.

            But somehow, all of the messaging to convince men to raise the floor have somehow been received as an attack on manhood when in reality, the results would benefit both men and women immensely.

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              We really need more men to call each other out for this shit.

              It’s complete hypocrisy to direct this criticism at men specifically, given things like this:

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3PgH86OyEM
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEZH6YSQvwA

              Return to reality. For one thing, the bystander effect is gender-neutral, so encouraging people to speak up when they witness mistreatment of others, regardless of the sex of either the perpetrator, the victim, or the witness, is inarguably positive. But singling out the sex that is demonstrably most likely to intervene when the opposite sex is witnessed being mistreated, as if males are the only ones that need to be ‘called out’ for non-intervention, does nothing but expose an extremely-obvious bias.

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    the pair were not exclusive

    MJ would learn on this trip that her partner was seeing other women

    …isn’t that was “not exclusive” means?

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          Please explain what you like about Star Trek when systemic analysis is “generalizing” to you?

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        Men on lemmy are 100% the socialist boyfriends who don’t do the dishes, you can tell by what they support and get pissed at. Orange man bad because fat and stupid? They love it and it makes them confident they aren’t one of the baddies. Patriarchy is bad and I don’t like men because of how it socializes them? They correctly call me evil.

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          Have you ever tried NOT generalizing 50% of the population? Surely deep down you know that’s not the right thing to do?

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            I can’t stress enough how much I don’t give a shit about potentially being unfair to men who think it’s a moral injustice to point out that liberals are still misogynistic even if they think orange man bad. Maybe you should look deep down and get lost up your own ass.

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              You are being unfair to men who do not fit that description, because you are making a generalization about all men. I don’t understand why you would choose to be hostile rather than understand your actions.