Do you not understand? Or do you not want to understand?

If you really want to understand, I will explain everything and show you how deeply wrong you are. However I will not spend time explaining, if you will then still continue with this “I am used to this system so everyone else must be wrong.” approach.

But if you like being wrong I recommend you at least not publicly announcing it.

what industrial meat, egg or milk production or similar situation have you been in?

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I do not know. I was never in that situation. For some reason you expect that I would be shocked or that I could not stand such experience. But we have obviously a different standards on what an acceptable cruelty towards animals is. Maybe explaining what is happening was something that changed your opinion. But if you would try to convince as many people as possible and save as many animals as possible you should definitely change your strategy. Because most meat eaters know that and how much animals suffer. And we do not care. Because animal suffering is obviously not enough a priority to change even eating habits. This is genuine advice. Do with it what you want.

they get forcefully impregnated As almost every wife in arabic country. And they would still prefere to exist. And also as most animals in animal kingdom. What they experience is way closer to rape than is to voluntary action as we understand it.

they just don’t really get to move

As lots of sick and/or old people. And most still prefere to exist.

every offspring gets taken away

As it is with moms whose kids die because of sickness or accidents. And they still most often prefere to exist.

in the house where all the blood and screaming is

As any solder and hospital worker (or butcher) And they still prefere to exist.

Some people experience lots od things mentioned above. And I am not claiming those are good things. I am not arguing killing of animals is awesome or we should not abandon it.

I am arguing you are underestimating how much existence is worth. Some people value it less (probably you?), and would kill (euthanize) themselves if they would have to experience stuff mentioned above. But I argue lots and probably most people would still prefere to exist even though they lived horrible life you mention.

I argue that having a horrible, short life that is terminated forcefully is worth more than not existing at all. And this is by a standard of lots of people. We do not even know what percentage of people think this. And we are way more clueless about animal opinion on the matter.

I do not know. I was never in that situation.

But If I try to imagine… …even if my life would be hard as hell… I would probably still prefer being born as to not exist at all… Having a consciousness is one of a kind experience…

Also cows of my uncle have it quite nice. All day wandering inside a huge fence, having a lot to eat, hang out with their kids… Cows do not have a freedom to leave, but they have everything else. To me it seems a better life than lots of humans. For example take a young wife of a rich oligarch. She cannot leave, but she has anything that she needs.

But I do think people of nationalities with rough histories are thankful that only their ancestors suffered and the nation as a whole still exists.

However most do not have to die when they grow up…

But I think, I would rather lived until grow up and I get eaten as compared to never have existed at all…

The most common understanding of genocide is purposfully exterminating the population. It does not matter how it dies out. If it all the subjects are killed, sterilized, purposfully mixed with other population or sent to space. Noone has to die for a genocide to occur.

So we are not discussing: killing a generation vs. killing multiple generations. But rather: exterminating a specie vs killing members of that specie but maintaining a population.

One is “crime” against specific subjects and the other is “crime” against a group.

Casting a judgment on which is worse is however not something I would do.

One Slovenian (This train): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHtQ4ZF2rGQ

It sings about returning home with a train and how this train will leave without author and how author has enough of traveling.

Gambler from Kenny Rogers is also happening on a train, but is not about trains: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hx4gdlfamo

I do not have the exact advice since I was never in similar situation, but I had a friend I who went through their teens with similar approach. And they managed to have no issues with this. I expect because they were very social.

I have a hunch some socializing would help and meeting new people in new environments. I think it will be especially useful to do that without looking for a partner. This will probably help you explore and understand this new feeling better.

Also talking about it with a close friend might be useful.

In my case it is usually about kids that are with me or with them.

Cigateres are produced by a handful of companies. They can lobby, lie and bribe.

Alcohol is also produced by farmers. And they are very loud and meaningful group with a lots of support and political power when they get united… So there would be a massive outrage if someone would like cut off profits from “poor farmers”.

When energy is used for some work it does not get lost. It just gets less useful - usually it becomes heat.

This is true if the “work” in question is cpu calculations or you use it to move some object.

While I consider myself to be Ignostic, I find lots of wisdom in religious texts. I am selective. I use what I consider useful and I reject what might go against logic/my values/is conflicting with itself…

Since I was raised christian I would study only bible (from religious texts) since I think there are enough wisdom in it to study for a lifetime.

However this would not be the only thing I would read. Most of the time I would read other books. Maybe some philosophical ones and if I would get a hand on some books from other religions I would probably read it.

People have questions. If you do not understand the spirit of this community why do you participate by making people less likely to ask questions they are unsure about?

If this is not against the rules it should be. Comments like this should be removed.

Nothing meaningful. It is random.

No I did not. I am here if you need someone to talk to?

As long as we all remain respectful, we are encouraged to disagree in this community.

I feel if the disagreement would be encouraged, you would let commics posted, and let us to downvote or upvote if we want to see some artist or commic…

By giving a rule, you are the one who decides what the line is. There is very little room for disagrrement since your opinion will be the one that is to be enforced.

Having kids. Maybe it is just communities I am in, however I fealt whole internet is against having kids.

It was the best decision I ever made!

Saying: “I am sorry.”

There are multiple phisical forces at play. One force preventing two atoms beeing touched and one attracting stuff you touch.

Marko

Shares are still just portions of a company.

What was company value back then? What determined it? Price or value of the company was just what buyer was willing to pay for it. And it still is…