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  • Kind of wild how it’s always radio silence from the “Vote Blue No Matter Who” brigade in comment sections like this, where you have a centrist Dem using their platform to bash a progressive or leftist candidate just a couple days prior to elections

    Starting from a counterfactual isn’t a strong argument. El-Sayed won the primary for a reason and gets massive support in similar comment sections from Democrats overwhelmingly agreeing that Stevens can go fuck herself.

    How you divine who is & isn’t “the Vote Blue No Matter Who brigade” is the real mystery. Supporting commentary looks the same no matter who writes it, and it’s hardly needed when an upvote will do. Are you a mindreader? Do you consort with a higher power? Please show us your mystical, sagely ways.

    It’s especially comical because Vote Blue No Matter Who unsurprisingly means doing that regardless of whom blue is. It doesn’t necessarily imply broadcasting commentary everywhere about it to your satisfaction.

    It seems you’re agitating for some poorly articulated conflict in your deluded fantasy when the “Blue No Matter Who” crowd is embracing your candidate.



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    The paradox of tolerance is literally just about too much tolerance of the intolerant causing issues in society.

    It’s literally not.
    Repeating reductive shit they say on social media doesn’t make it true.
    Your ignorance of the source material is telling.

    There’s a Wikipedia article quoting part of it

    [Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.—In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise.] But we should claim the right to suppress them [intolerant ideologies] if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols.

    explaining the various takes on it.
    It comes from a book called The Open Society and Its Enemies about what I stated.

    The type of intolerance the quote refers to is the kind that uses force and refuses debate.
    They even explicitly reject that we should in general “suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies” as long as rational argument & public opinion still govern public choice.

    background: book promotes intellectual freedom

    The book’s thesis is that an open society (ie, liberalism) has stronger merits than the newer, trendier totalitarian political theories of the day predicated on teleological historicism.
    They approached this from their background in philosophy of science (emphasizing enterprises controlled by skepticism and free inquiry) to argue that liberal democracies are not inevitably doomed by totalitarian systems of power, because liberal institutions have an overlooked strength

    Only democracy allows an institutional framework that permits reform without violence, and so the use of reason in political matters

    and to keep totalitarian systems like fascism or communism at bay, we need to sustain institutions that allow for open inquiry and grant all citizens extensive rights against their governments.

    Even with the best rulers, unchecked power is likely to err and cause unbound damage.
    Instead of focusing only on selecting the best rulers, a better system of government might determine

    How can we so organize political institutions that bad or incompetent rulers can be prevented from doing too much damage?

    They resolved that such a system should include strict limits on the power of the state and a special emphasis on intellectual freedom.

    They were absolutely arguing in favor of more open discourse & deliberation, not force, to reform government without violence and restrict its potential damage.
    That means tolerating opinions we disagree with from people who don’t try to impose them with force.

    Unsurprisingly, you shouldn’t expect philosophers who emphasize free, open inquiry and rational argument as crucial to an open society to defend forcible suppression of tolerant disagreements in it.
    Colloquial intolerance isn’t the stricter intolerance they refer to.
    We can observe intolerance of actual intolerance as posed in that book in action: we do live in a society roughly following the system that book was defending, assault (including that motivated by violent extremism) is a crime, and our society doesn’t tolerate it pretty much as I stated before.

    Social media dumbasses butchered the idea into bullshit pop philosophy, and you aren’t winning any arguments by regurgitating shit that’s flat out wrong unless that argument is “How dumb is social media? Very.”


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    Because you’re absolutely wrong about the paradox of tolerance?
    Your butchered social media interpretation of it is not at all what the philosophers who articulated the idea meant by it or concluded from it.

    1. It’s a paradox, not a conclusion, and not your conclusion.
    2. They were arguing about the merits of liberal governments over the unchecked power of totalitarian systems.
      Particularly, they called out the overlooked merits of intellectual freedom and political institutions structured to limit potential damage of government power through rational debate and deliberative, competitive decision-making.
    3. The meaning of intolerant in philosophy is more technical than merely an opinion that disagrees with other ways: it requires literally prohibiting other ways by unjustified force.

    Accordingly, someone who is not imposing their opinion on society with force is tolerant.
    Contrary to your position, they would argue that beating a tolerant person over an opinion is a case of intolerance.
    Such an appeal to force has no place in open society, and an open society is justified to not tolerate it.

    To resolve your paradox, a tolerant, open society would be justified to drop Unfiltered Mama’s son into juvie.


  • Anytime someone brings up paradox of intolerance in the fediverse, the chance is very high they’re completely wrong about it and are regurgitating shit they read from some dumbass on social media.

    1. The paradox of intolerance is a paradox, not a conclusion.
    2. The reductive conclusion social media dumbasses insinuate by invoking it is entirely wrong according to the philosopher who articulated the paradox.
    3. Intolerant carries a more technical meaning in philosophy (at least to that philosopher) than a mere disagreement with other ways: it includes the element of imposing (by unjustified force) on society to literally prohibit other ways. People who do not force us to comply with their position are tolerant.

    From the article (you didn’t read or understand) quoting Karl Popper (extended with the rest of the passage)

    [Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.—In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise.] But we should claim the right to suppress them [intolerant ideologies] if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols.

    The type of intolerance they refer to is the kind that uses force and refuses debate. They even explicitly reject that we should in general “suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies” as long as rational argument & public opinion still govern public choice.

    background: book promotes intellectual freedom

    The quote comes from a footnote in the book The Open Society and Its Enemies, whose thesis is that an open society (ie, liberalism) has stronger merits than the newer, trendier totalitarian political theories of the day predicated on teleological historicism. They approached this from their background in philosophy of science (emphasizing enterprises controlled by skepticism and free inquiry) to argue that liberal democracies are not inevitably doomed by totalitarian systems of power, because liberal institutions have an overlooked strength

    Only democracy allows an institutional framework that permits reform without violence, and so the use of reason in political matters

    and to keep totalitarian systems like fascism or communism at bay, we need to sustain institutions that allow for open inquiry and grant all citizens extensive rights against their governments.

    Even with the best rulers, unchecked power is likely to err and cause unbound damage. Instead of focusing only on selecting the best rulers, a better system of government might determine

    How can we so organize political institutions that bad or incompetent rulers can be prevented from doing too much damage?

    They resolved that such a system should include strict limits on the power of the state and a special emphasis on intellectual freedom.

    They were absolutely arguing in favor of more open discourse & deliberation, not less of it, to reform government without violence and restrict its potential damage. That means tolerating opinions we disagree with from people who don’t try to impose them with force.

    Their discussion on public policy has no bearing on the democratic consequences accepting code that “solves the problem” from people we disagree with. It’s pretty much accepting charity and doesn’t imply you promote or agree with their views at all. Philosophers generally scoff at purity policing bullshit and genetic fallacies, especially those who emphasize free, open inquiry and rational argument as crucial to an open society.




  • Nice.

    I would be happy to add your links

    There are probably better ones. As a web developer, you may know a few.

    The technical guidelines are the most general covering every situation & technology including those unlikely here. We’re most likely dealing with Situation B in those guidelines

    Situation B: If a short description can not serve the same purpose and present the same information as the non-text content (e.g., a chart or diagram)

    It states that following technique

    G95: Providing short text alternatives that provide a brief description of the non-text content

    plus an additional technique including any of

    • G73: Providing a long description in another location with a link to it that is immediately adjacent to the non-text content
    • G74: Providing a long description in text near the non-text content, with a reference to the location of the long description in the short description

    suffices. In practice, that suggests (in order of practicality to minimize effort)

    1. If a web accessible alternative exists (eg, the image came from a web accessible web page), then set the post’s URL field to its location and set the post’s alt text field to “comic as described in link”.

    2. Otherwise, set the post’s alt text field to “comic as described in post body”, and set the post’s body field to a text alternative. The poster will probably have to transcribe the comic. Text recognition technology may assist in that task.

      If the text alternative is short, though, then setting the alt text field to the entire text alternative suffices as described in technique H37.