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  • Most shops in the UK selling booze already operate a policy of asking for ID from anyone who they think looks under 25, even though the legislation is 18.

    Likely as not they’ll roll that policy on to cigarettes (in the few rare places that don’t already) and that would mean the subset you’re speaking about would have to be firmly addicted by the age of 11. At that point, I think this is not so much a tobacco problem, as a child welfare and protection issue and we have social care and protections that should already be addressing those cases.

    I don’t see anyone in that frame getting to middle age and ID for ciggies ranking in the top 10 of problems in their life.


  • You forget we are not talking about the USA here. The article is about the UK where we already have a lot more food regulation than you do in the USA.
    If you really want to go down the road of things proven to work, maybe start within the USA and introduce the effective firearms legislation and regulations that most of the civilised world has proven reduces per capita gun deaths and almost entirely negates mass murder of schoolchildren.









  • Going to get down voted to hell and back for this I expect, but hey, different opinions generate discussion right?

    This is good legislation for the environment, for non-smokers, for the NHS, and has zero negative impact on smokers. The ONLY parties I see really hurt by this are tobacco companies, since retailers make minimal margins on tobacco.

    The constant use of the word freedom in the thread comments just seems odd to me. This isn’t a question of freedom, and the comments mostly seem to ignore the paradox of tolerance as it applies to antisocial activity. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance. Individual freedoms have limits and must end at the boundary of another persons personal space and freedoms. That’s why smoking is banned in confined public places.

    Its all very well to say tax the shit out of it and fund the NHS, but that will feel pretty shit when your parent/partner/child has to wait for an operation because the queue is full of smokers who are entitled to that spot by having paid for it. Which also veers dangerously close to creating paid tracks within the public national health service.




  • This is ridiculous and clearly shows both nefarious intent and complete disregard for the GDPR and it’s core principle of data minimisation. There must be a simpler solution to this - maybe through attestation from a trusted third party who has already (legitimately) verified the user’s identity - like a bank. Imagine a user creating and providing a token that allows a one-time request through the open banking standards to receive an attestation on whether or not the user is over 18 - without disclosing the users actual dob or any other personal information except who and how the attestation was made. Not sure if it would even be necessary for companies to store precisely when the attestation was made if the banks themselves record the event.