I don’t like spending this much time arguing against campism but they just keep talking at me.

  • punchmesan@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    20 hours ago

    There’s a big difference between the ideal democracy and the bastardization of a democratic process we have in America, much like how Marx’s vision of communism is hugely different from any actual communist implementation. I personally don’t believe that any one governing/socioeconomic system taken in a vacuum is the right answer, they all seem to rely on humans being fundamentally good-natured but it just isn’t true for much of the humans attracted to positions of power.

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      19 hours ago

      an ideal democracy would be a democracy where the people have power, as opposed to one where money rules. such is the case in the fake ‘democracies’ under capitalism. it’s not just america and it’s nothing to do with humans needing to be ‘good natured’.

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        17 hours ago

        The problem is “the people” in a democracy literally just amounts to “the majority”, and would thus favor the average and the interests thereof over the interests of underprivileged minorities. Can we count on the average person to be concerned about the well being of those who lack the collective power they enjoy? As of now, I would say definitely not.

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          18 minutes ago

          i don’t think that rich people are inherently better any respecting the rights of minorities.

          the current system demonstrably does not protect minorities either.

          also the current system actively manufactures consent through media ownership and economic coercion. capital owners play a major role in that process.

          what looks like majority opinion is often manufactured preference serving capital. a democracy where people had actual material security and genuine information might produce very different majorities.