For all those that say ‘AI causes global warming’ - you’re correct, but unless you’ve got your own solar panels, so does your non-AI gaming rig. And your gas-driven car.
so fucking what? stop trying unless you’re perfect? every bit helps! fuck you
What is the issue with the methodology exactly? In any case, the lower end of estimates is still twice the emissions of all of the digital economy. We would do more for climate change going vegan than we would fighting data centers.
I mentioned AI because that is the topic of the thread we are in.
well I skimmed specifically for lca study combinations, and found them quickly. that invalidates all the data. if I read further, who knows what else i might find
Skimming is usually not a great way to make definitive conclusions about a study. Would you care to elaborate on what about the LCA methodology “invalidates all the data”, and how you could make such a claim with certainty simply by skimming it?
LCA studies are custom built for each product comparison. by combining multiple LCA studies that have desperate methodology, they have muddied the results. none of this is reliable. it’s not good science.
That only works if you ignore the difference in scale.
My backyard campfire also adds CO2 to the atmosphere, but that doesn’t make the corporations any less responsible. They account for the supermajority of CO2 greenhouse gas emissions.
You seem to miss that I just copied and pasted the comment that I was originally replying to. I was highlighting the hypocrisy, and your comment actually applies to the author of the text I copied and pasted. In effect, you have crafted my response for me. Thank you.
what do you expect people to do? go full kaczynski and live in a cabin in the woods? and if that’s not acceptable for the person, they might as well burn down the amazon cause that’s basically the same anyway?
are you okay? are you having some mental issues? there are people that can help you.
this extreme black/white thinking combined with a defeatist attitude can’t be healthy in the long term, for you or the rest of the planet
No, that’s exactly what I’m trying to highlight. This person is criticizing others for using technology/electricity, while doing the exact same thing themselves. It’s hypocritical. There’s nothing that can be done until the system itself changes. Criticizing others does nothing but highlight the fact that you’re an idiot who is falling for the propaganda to keep people fighting amongst themselves, rather than targeting the system itself.
No one is paying me for this job, and it’s doomed to fail. It’s like yelling into the void. Whether I do it at one decibel level or another, the outcome is identical.
(You missed that my reply was a copy/paste of the comment I was roasting, and you have just given me the answer I gave them, which lead to your responding to me. The circle is complete, ad nauseum.)
so fucking what? stop trying unless you’re perfect? every bit helps! fuck you
You’re vegan too, I presume, since animal agriculture is one of the largest contributors to global warming?
all of agriculture is only like 1/5 of our emissions, and we need to eat.
Animal agriculture contributes between 10-20% of total ghg emissions, depending on the estimate.
https://thebreakthrough.org/issues/food-agriculture-environment/livestock-dont-contribute-14-5-of-global-greenhouse-gas-emissions
The entire digital economy footprint, including AI and all internet infrastructure, is less than 4% of global emissions.
https://www.climatiq.io/blog/measure-greenhouse-gas-emissions-carbon-data-centres-cloud-computing
But sure, AI is the problem we should be focusing on.
I haven’t said anything about AI.
but that Xu et al 2021 paper has some dubious methodology. the conclusions might be correct but the methodology can’t prove it.
What is the issue with the methodology exactly? In any case, the lower end of estimates is still twice the emissions of all of the digital economy. We would do more for climate change going vegan than we would fighting data centers.
I mentioned AI because that is the topic of the thread we are in.
well I skimmed specifically for lca study combinations, and found them quickly. that invalidates all the data. if I read further, who knows what else i might find
Skimming is usually not a great way to make definitive conclusions about a study. Would you care to elaborate on what about the LCA methodology “invalidates all the data”, and how you could make such a claim with certainty simply by skimming it?
if you had read this study, and understood the underlying science, the fact that I skimmed it would not interfere with your abilitiy to defend it.
LCA studies are custom built for each product comparison. by combining multiple LCA studies that have desperate methodology, they have muddied the results. none of this is reliable. it’s not good science.
open fire, he’s reaching!
no i’m not, but i have been reducing my meat intake a lot, because of global warming and ethical issues.
You typed this from a machine you know is causing global warming, hypocrite. That’s what.
That only works if you ignore the difference in scale.
My backyard campfire also adds CO2 to the atmosphere, but that doesn’t make the corporations any less responsible. They account for the supermajority of CO2 greenhouse gas emissions.
so fucking what? stop trying unless you’re perfect? every bit helps! fuck you
Every little bit helps, sure. But maybe it’s just me, wondering why you’re getting so upset at the small contributors on some random Internet forum.
From the outside, you look like you just want to find things to be upset at.
In my experience, you find what you go looking for.
You seem to miss that I just copied and pasted the comment that I was originally replying to. I was highlighting the hypocrisy, and your comment actually applies to the author of the text I copied and pasted. In effect, you have crafted my response for me. Thank you.
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Thanks. Fuck you specifically, too!
Now get off the Internet, you’re harming the environment with your electricity usage.
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what do you expect people to do? go full kaczynski and live in a cabin in the woods? and if that’s not acceptable for the person, they might as well burn down the amazon cause that’s basically the same anyway?
are you okay? are you having some mental issues? there are people that can help you.
this extreme black/white thinking combined with a defeatist attitude can’t be healthy in the long term, for you or the rest of the planet
No, that’s exactly what I’m trying to highlight. This person is criticizing others for using technology/electricity, while doing the exact same thing themselves. It’s hypocritical. There’s nothing that can be done until the system itself changes. Criticizing others does nothing but highlight the fact that you’re an idiot who is falling for the propaganda to keep people fighting amongst themselves, rather than targeting the system itself.
you’re doing a horrible job, might wanna rethink your methods
No one is paying me for this job, and it’s doomed to fail. It’s like yelling into the void. Whether I do it at one decibel level or another, the outcome is identical.
A PC causes far less global warming than an AI datacenter. Like, it’s not even comparable.
so fucking what? stop trying unless you’re perfect? every bit helps! fuck you
Why don’t you start by turning off your device?
Exactly!
(You missed that my reply was a copy/paste of the comment I was roasting, and you have just given me the answer I gave them, which lead to your responding to me. The circle is complete, ad nauseum.)
Oh go suck some fucking Billionaires dick some more. Maybe one day you’ll be good enough and get that trickle down.
Moron. Can’t tell the difference between a laptop and a data center.