• FishFace@piefed.social
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    2 days ago

    More succinctly, the argument is: without religion, there is no source of moral authority other than the disapproval of others. Acts that have no chance of being discovered would therefore not be subject to any moral judgment and must be permissible, even if clearly wrong.

    This is a contradiction with those acts being clearly wrong.

    There are multiple ways of attacking this naive argument.

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      I would argue that the assertion “there is no source of moral authority other than the disapproval of others” is absolutely 100% correct. People’s moral compasses are informed by what the people around them think and culture that they live in. I just argue that there’s nothing wrong with that.

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        Is it wrong to murder a loner with no family if you don’t make them suffer?

        Most people don’t actually believe the boo-hurrah theory of ethics (as it’s called by its detractors).

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          I’m almost certain that the society the killer belongs to would answer “yes” to that question.

          Unless, of course, that loner with no family is suffering from an incurable disease that is making their life pure misery, and resides in a place where medical euthanasia is legal. Then the answer might be “no”.

          It’s a great example of how morality is relative.

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            Society will never find out, so they will have no opportunity to answer the question. Are you saying that what matters is not actual disapproval, but hypothetical disapproval?

            Anyway, like I said, there are multiple ways of attacking the argument. Accepting the unpalatable logical conclusion of total relativism is one of them.

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              Uh, yeah, that’s how rules work. If you do something that’s against the rules, you’ve broken the rules, regardless of whether anyone ever finds out about it. Morality isn’t a concrete thing that exists. It’s an abstract set of rules which are a creation of human society.