• Photonic@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    May I remind you of your first comment on this thread?

    >Ursula von der Leyen, 2022 Are you somehow implying that she was wrong?

    And again, I’m not just asking questions and I never claimed that. Questions are a normal part of life, get used to it.

    You know the end goal is to stop the war. That hasn’t happened. I’m asking you questions because you’re dancing around that disingenuously. The end goal cannot be to continue the war but at a lower pace and you know it.

    Cruise missile attacks are dropping because they’re much easier to take down than ballistic missiles.

    And you’re making it (again, disingenuously) seem like I said the sanctions aren’t having any effects. That is not what I said and you also know it. I said that despite the sanctions they are still ramping up ballistic missile attacks. So the message that they have hit their war economy limits is false. Since once you hit your limit –that’s what a limit means– you can’t continue.

    They have not stopped, ergo they have not reached the limit.

    According to whom?

    Really? You can’t even read the headline of the article this thread is under. How am I supposed to take you seriously?

    If you hear “wolf” when people say something else, that’s on you.

    Here are a whole bunch of people claiming exactly that:

    https://www.russiamatters.org/node/35164

    https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/currencies/russia-economy-worsens-current-account-ruble-energy-exports-2023-7

    https://www.chathamhouse.org/2025/09/fortress-russia-economy-has-adapted-well-pressure-stagflation-presents-opportunity-west

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2026/feb/06/the-russian-economy-is-finally-stagnating-what-does-it-mean-for-the-war-and-for-putin

    I’m beginning to think you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about…

    Not a statement, is it?

    Not the comment you initially replied to, is it? Disingenuous #3

    But good talk my man. Keep it up and nobody will ever want to talk to you.

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      1 day ago

      Here are a whole bunch of people claiming exactly that:

      No they don’t, have you even read those articles?

      They make claims that are completely factual.

      Not the comment you initially replied to, is it? Disingenuous #3

      The original comment I replied to had a quote of Von der Leyen that you implied was making claims it didn’t.

      You know the end goal is to stop the war. That hasn’t happened.

      And you keep implying that sanctions aren’t having the effect of bringing that end sooner, which they do.

      So the message that they have hit their war economy limits is false

      You cannot possibly know if they’ve hit their limits because you can’t see the future. So you cannot say that this message is false.

      You keep saying that people have made that claim before, and it was false then, so it must be false now. But as your own sources show, nobody made this claim before.

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        1 day ago

        No they don’t, have you even read those articles?

        I have, have you? And here I was thinking asking questions was illegal.

        that you implied was making claims it didn’t.

        Yes. So not a question. Thank you. You started out by asking question and then get mad when someone asks a question in return that you can’t and won’t answer.

        you keep implying that sanctions aren’t having the effect of bringing that end sooner, which they do.

        Citation needed. The point is they have never proven to end wars sooner.

        you cannot say that this message is false.

        I said I will believe it when I see it. I have not seen the war ending because of the economy. Ergo: limit not yet hit. I don’t get why this is so hard for you.

        But as your own sources show, nobody made this claim before.

        Only to someone who can’t read…

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          1 day ago

          I have, have you? And here I was thinking asking questions was illegal.

          Quote from the first article you posted

          Not only is Russia far from being penniless, its economy is growing

          So no, it’s not saying that the economy has reached its limits, who you have not “heard it before”

          it supports the opposite of the point you’re trying to make.

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            Funny, you must really be blind or illiterate, because you read right past:

            “Yale’s Jeffrey Sonnenfeld and his four co-authors declared that “business retreats and sanctions are catastrophically crippling  the Russian economy.”

            And

            “Predictions of Russia’s economic meltdown continued into 2023, with the New Republic diagnosing Russia as “going broke fast

            And

            “Business Insider editors describing Russia’s economy as “spiraling

            And

            “One of Putin’s own oligarchs, Oleg Deripaska, predicted in March 2023 that Russia may run out of money in 2024”

            Funny how that works. And you wonder why people ask you questions to check your knowledge about a certain topic…

            it supports the opposite of the point you’re trying to make.

            In my initial comment a few days ago, if you can even think that far back (idk, it seems like you might not) I said I will believe it when I see whether or not the Russian economy is actually at its limits. The article supports that. People keep saying it is

            catastrophically crippling

            Or

            meltdown

            Or

            going broke fast

            Or

            spiralling

            Or

            run out of money

            But it wasn’t. And now:

            hits its limits

            So I said I will believe it when I see it. And I will, but I haven’t seen it. That’s all.

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              1 day ago

              And none of those said that Russia’s economy had reached its limits, as you claim.

              “Yale’s Jeffrey Sonnenfeld and his four co-authors declared that “business retreats and sanctions are catastrophically crippling  the Russian economy.”

              Looking ahead, there is no path out of economic oblivion for Russia

              “looking ahead”

              “Predictions of Russia’s economic meltdown continued into 2023, with the New Republic diagnosing Russia as “going broke fast

              In time, Putin will run out of economic bullets

              “in time”

              And

              “Business Insider editors describing Russia’s economy as “spiraling

              That one just says that the car industry is falling apart, which was true and the auto industry is now pretty much dead.

              “One of Putin’s own oligarchs, Oleg Deripaska, predicted in March 2023 that Russia may run out of money in 2024”

              A Russian businessman worried about his wealth, really?

              So the article you linked doesn’t say what you think it says and links to articles cherry picking quotes to pretend they are saying something they don’t.

              But yeah, it’s becoming clear why you think you’ve been hearing that Russia’s economy has hit its limits because you’re actively sectively reading stuff to pretend that’s what people are saying.

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                    24 hours ago

                    In your extremely biased mind where a parallel reality exists they indeed didn’t claim what they claimed.

                    Good boy