I’ve been thinking about this for a while. If you looks at our major industries that aren’t controlled by Canadian oligopolies, we let the US take over and continue to support them. For example, streaming services (Netflix, Spotify, Paramount, HBO, Disney, YouTube, etc…), fast food (McDonald’s, Starbucks, Wendy’s, Five Guys, Timmies, etc…), home improvement (Home Depot, Lowe’s, Rona), retail (Wal-Mart, Amazon, Costco), tech (Google, Apple, Microsoft), credit payments (Visa, Mastercard), food brands (Coca-Cola, Johnson & Johnson, print media (Postmedia Network, which controls over 130 newspapers across the country), social media (Insta, Snap, TikTok, Facebook, WhatsApp), retail gas (Esso, Ultramar, Chevron, Pioneer) are all US companies. I can keep going on (pharmaceuticals, oil and gas operations in Alberta, and entertainment).
It’s ironic when I see Canadians hating on immigrants for not being “Canadian”, yet those Canadians copy Americans like no tomorrow. And now we have separatists in Alberta simping for the US and politicians that vocally support Trump (Doug Ford, Danielle Smith, and PP). Wtf is going on?
Alberta was the location of choice for US draft dodgers who fled to Canada. They have a natural synergy with the president on this front. They’re also largely captured by the Oil industry, which is primarily US interest backed. Danielle Smith was quite literally employed as an oil industry lobbyist prior to becoming premier. The Federal conservatives have support from this region, likely because of PP’s alignment with Trump, and the money in the oil industry being in line with Trump. It’s why PP’s sham of a leadership review for his failures as a federal leader, was based on in person votes at a small gathering in an Alberta stronghold. PP’s playbook is practically the same as donalds in the states, with his “Only my plan can save this industry!” sort of dictator authoritarian bullshit.
Most local-born Canadians I know drastically cut all services related to the states after 2025, and have sought out Canadian options wherever possible, and have foregone some things when it’s not. That said, the people I know aren’t necessarily representative of the broader whole. Most major industries don’t care what customers seek anymore, as everything’s been driven to the bottom / driven by ‘scale’ type discussions – it doesn’t matter if you want a “Canadian” Smartphone, Bell, Telus and Rogers can make enough profit just acting as resellers for Google and Apple, so why would they bother trying to listen to the local market?
And to your point about locals v immigrant behaviours – I’ve noticed more of my immigrant friends don’t care as much. Our government boasted under Trudeau, that we have no unifying Canadian national identity, that we were some sort of post national multicultural state. Most immigrants I’ve met in my adult life have basically spoken about how much better things would’ve been for them, had they not left their country – including some women, working basic service jobs, who came from places like Iran where they’d have far fewer freedoms/rights. A lot of them actually look down on Canada, referencing stuff like FN issues, cost of living, etc, while exempting themselves from any atrocities/issues of their home nations (Canadian culture lets that slide). The number of immigrants who I’ve met, especially recently, that’re optimistic/positive about Canada is incredibly small. So why would they care if something is Canadian or not? Hell, a lot of them immigrate to Canada, as it’s thought to make immigrating to the states easier – having the states take over Canada would help them cut out some paperwork.
Good points, but I’d want to add that your last point about immigrants applies more to newer immigrants, rather than people who have been here since the pre-Trump years.
That’d seem likely, though there’s one particular anecdotal encounter I had that goes against that thought. The Iranian woman I’d mentioned, was a hairdresser who’d come over from Iran in order to go to university, and then she stuck around – she was in her mid 40s, had been in Canada ~20 years. I didn’t probe too much in the convo, cause that’d be weird I reckon, but what she had said was something along the lines of here in Canada, she’s had no luck dating, and she’s stuck working day after day in a generally low income job. Part of her dating issues seemingly stemming from an assumption that women don’t work, and men provide everything. Back home, she’d have been a ‘respected’ housewife at her age, or live independently as a ward with her parents – either way, nothing but spare time and freedom, so long as you don’t want/care about the freedom to do stuff in public. Instead she ended up as a wage slave, with basically nothing to look forward to but another 20+ years of being a wage slave.
Yeah, I can certainly see those kinds of cases, but at that point she’s just describing the plight of any low-wage worker in Canada, immigrant or not. I would think that people in those situations have a bit more opportunity to escape the trap in Canada compared to other countries, but it really does depend on personal circumstance and luck.
TL:DR; It’s 'cuz we’re close, but Trump is helping us Canadians rediscover a healthy nationalism.
We were pretty well integrated with the USA over the last 30-odd years, to our mutual benefit and detriment. For the last 10 we’ve seen the vocal minority of Maple MAGA say with Maxime Bernier’s People Party, but also the Conservative moment aligning itself (if not merging with) MAGA.
Under the Trudeau government, his government’s foreign affairs philosophy was internationalism. Which generally made Canadians not really attached to their national identity, and our national symbols started to represent some of the colonial skeletons we were in the process of digging up. What made things worse is that the Ottawa Trucker Convoy was awash with Canadian symbols but they were a MAGA-coup-turned-nuisance-occupation. Most Canadians were either disappointed or disgusted at what national pride had come to represent the worst of us.
Though since Trump has been threatening Canada a lot, I think things have turned for the better, and non-MAGA people at-large have taken back the mantle of nationalism to decouple it from racism and bigotry. The !buyCanadian@lemmy.ca and !boycottUS@lemmy.ca movements are still active. I’ve not completely gotten rid of every American thing yet but like for 90% of stuff I have, and I actively look for alternatives every time before I buy, and discovered Canadian small to medium businesses I never would have come across otherwise.
Good points. I agree the Buy Canadian movement is still pretty strong, and it’s not just on Lemmy. You can see it in the maple symbols on grocery shelf price tags (even if that system is flawed), and in the news reports of American cities complaining about fewer Canadian visitors.
I still think the majority of people still use American products and services within Canada (Netflix, Instagram, Starbucks, Amazon), but the boycott is significant and sustained.
Here are my (hot?) takes:
- America’s greatest export is culture
- People love capitalism and they love consumption. People love celebrity, fashion, and wealth. People want to be seen holding a Starbucks cup while face-timing on their iPhones, talking about the latest Marvel movie. Truth is, most Canadians want to be at least a little American, and some Canadians want to be very American.
- A lot of people aren’t political
- “Canadian” has always been a fuzzy concept
- Americanisms became entrenched before America became a dirty word
- Companies (especially tech companies) are designed to lock people in through various mechanisms
- Inertia is very difficult to overcome
Americans were hated by Canadians long before Trump.
For streaming services I have moved to my *arr stack (apps like sonarr and radarr) and CBC gem, I am not going to pay to watch US content. Even if I used the global, ctv, and citytv apps I would not be watching the ads because I use a pihole setup to block most ads. I use Unwatched to view YouTube videos as it blocks the YouTube ads. I have moved to self hosting my stuff (file storage through Nextcloud, my VPN through wireguard so that I can access most of my things away from my LAN, my images via Immich, my notes through Joplin, my web search through searXNG, and my password manager is vaultwarden so I can use bitwarden on my devices) if I had the money I would replace my iPhone and iPad with something I could easily load a new OS on. My desktop has been broken for years even if it wasn’t I would have installed Debian orsome fork of it. I have moved my blog to a Canadian host for my domain name and email host (I use a different email for everything to make me worthless to advertisers) my host is hosthero. If I had the money I would replace my HomePods with a DIY thing as I have moved all my automations (minus my good night one, I may figure out how to move it over once my place is repaired) to home assistant.
The only reason I use AWS is because duckdns.org is hosted on it, and I use duckdns for my ddns for all my VPN things.
I only really shop at the coop.
US money bribes politicians to let them exploit us.
Wtf are you even talking about?
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the companies you listed are not the only companies in their markets,
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at least one of the companies you listed is Canadian
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how is this different from literally any other country around the world?
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how are you listing Costco when they’re literally the only store with a maximum markup %
The exact same thing that has been going on for the past ~60 years of American corporate expansionism.
They don’t regulate their companies, allowing them to basically abuse their destitute class to let their corporate class amass a vast amount of capital, and then they use that capital to expand globally, buy overseas companies, create capitalists there and use them to spread their shitty exploitative and harmful practices.
The key it this process is that their companies look economically successful, because they make more money then their competitors, but in reality they’re not more efficient or produce better goods (quite the opposite in fact), it’s just that they’re better at externalizing costs and exploiting others.
- No shit, but the ones I listed control a large margin. Where did I say they are the only ones?
- Which one?
- That’s not what I’m arguing. Not sure why you’re bringing this up.
- Costco is owned by the US. Their markup is irrelevant.
Thanks for explaining American capitalism. But I’m talking about why Canadians don’t support Canadian businesses instead of US businesses.
They listed Spotify too…
Wow I didn’t realize one mistake negated my entire point. Thanks for your contribution.
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Because Canada is more of a suburb of the United States than you’d like to admit. While Canada claims more square footage, the US has the better slice of the continent. The US is the richest nation on earth, home to 340 million people to Canada’s 40 million, most of whom live within 100 miles of our border. To all those American businesses you listed, Canada is a sidequest. We might as well also sell shit to you while we’re at it. We do the same to most of the rest of the world, compared to them you’re small potatoes but you’re a closer drive. Hell, more than half of you live south of Seattle.
It got that way because our politicians let it. We could have kept certain companies nationalized and made restrictions on corporations selling out to other Countries, or at least tax the hell out of it. But instead we got “free market” solutions. And its not just the US. Any country that wants a slice can have some. Tim Hortons and some other chain brands are owned by a Brazilian conglomerate, some major mining companies are owned by brazil as well.


