There are more firearms than people in the US. The problem is the vast majority of them are owned by people who are cool with how the government is being run at the moment. Even if they weren’t, our government is perfectly capable of drone strikes. We the people are outgunned.
We are not outgunned. They can’t drone strike their workforce and still project power, that’s always a silly point to me. Also, not all military personnel will giddily bomb their own country. An armed rebellion situation will be really messy. Insurgencies don’t need to outgun the regime they’re against, they need to outlast and make the costs too big to stomach.
You’re right more right wingers own guns. My point is it’s time more left wingers own guns. No reason to have a pathetic defeatist attitude.
We are outgunned. Believe me the government spends more on military spending than it does on literally anything else. Our military industrial complex is extremely well funded.
If you don’t think about how people work, you assume that people are willing to take a bullet in order to rebell. What you lack understanding of is that they hold the threat of the use of their fire power over the vast majority of us and all it will take to quell the kind of rebellion you’re talking about is for them to sacrifice a single moderate sized city. They level a city and I can pretty much guarantee that people will back down.
Think about what happened when the BLM protests were happening. There were absolutely calls for violence from BLM leadership. The vast majority of people involved in those protests didn’t want violence and most of them didn’t want damage to property (even in left leaning parts of the population).
At the time I reminded people that you can’t have a rebellion without damage to property and the death of people. Real change almost never happens that way when you’re dealing with a fascist regime.
People did not want to hear it then and they don’t want to hear it now. They are not going to get trained and armed because that is too real. That is escalates this to what amounts to civil war and almost none of them are so attached to the idea of freedom and liberty from oppression that they are willing to go that far.
They’re worried about the Walgreens down the street or the target or whatever it is that gives them quality of life. They’ve never seen an active war zone and they literally don’t have any comprehension of even the idea of what a large military strike looks like when it’s happening to you.
So don’t tell me they’re going to grab their guns and fight the government. It’s likely they won’t even get that far.
January 6th involved less than 3000 people and the only reason they weren’t repelled with prejudice is because the idiot in chief ordered capital police and officials to stand down.
And for the record, the rich and powerful will absolutely just leave and nuke us from orbit. They have that ability. They don’t need to stick around.
I have a question. How do you organize 23.1 million people across 3,796,742 sqare miles of territory when the government just has the ability to jam communications?
What are the logistics of getting food and clean water to 340,000,000 people over that amount of territory? Whose going to do that?
How many people are stocking dry goods, know how to build and sustain a fire for heating and cooking, and own even a rudimentary generator? If you’re talking about armed rebellion there’s a lot that goes into it and when you get right down to it the government holds the keys to quite a lot of stuff.
What stops all those people who don’t oppose the government and will fight you from stymying every armed rebellion we manage to orchestrate?
You are someone who doesn’t think about the scale of what you are suggesting or the logistics. It’s nice to have the aspirations but you really gotta figure this stuff out before you suggest people get armed for something they also don’t understand the scale or logistics for.
This isn’t about defeatism. This is a reality check. If you don’t know the capabilities of your government you don’t know what you’re talking about. It’s clear to me that you don’t and you haven’t thought about this.
Movies do not teach you how long rebellions take or that it’s not about individual battles but about the ability to logistically survive to keep fighting. Your comment comes off as if you expect this to be a singular battle. It won’t be.
There are better ways to oppose a government that is acting against the population than to try direct violent force.
There are more firearms than people in the US. The problem is the vast majority of them are owned by people who are cool with how the government is being run at the moment. Even if they weren’t, our government is perfectly capable of drone strikes. We the people are outgunned.
We are not outgunned. They can’t drone strike their workforce and still project power, that’s always a silly point to me. Also, not all military personnel will giddily bomb their own country. An armed rebellion situation will be really messy. Insurgencies don’t need to outgun the regime they’re against, they need to outlast and make the costs too big to stomach.
You’re right more right wingers own guns. My point is it’s time more left wingers own guns. No reason to have a pathetic defeatist attitude.
We are outgunned. Believe me the government spends more on military spending than it does on literally anything else. Our military industrial complex is extremely well funded.
If you don’t think about how people work, you assume that people are willing to take a bullet in order to rebell. What you lack understanding of is that they hold the threat of the use of their fire power over the vast majority of us and all it will take to quell the kind of rebellion you’re talking about is for them to sacrifice a single moderate sized city. They level a city and I can pretty much guarantee that people will back down.
Think about what happened when the BLM protests were happening. There were absolutely calls for violence from BLM leadership. The vast majority of people involved in those protests didn’t want violence and most of them didn’t want damage to property (even in left leaning parts of the population).
At the time I reminded people that you can’t have a rebellion without damage to property and the death of people. Real change almost never happens that way when you’re dealing with a fascist regime.
People did not want to hear it then and they don’t want to hear it now. They are not going to get trained and armed because that is too real. That is escalates this to what amounts to civil war and almost none of them are so attached to the idea of freedom and liberty from oppression that they are willing to go that far.
They’re worried about the Walgreens down the street or the target or whatever it is that gives them quality of life. They’ve never seen an active war zone and they literally don’t have any comprehension of even the idea of what a large military strike looks like when it’s happening to you.
So don’t tell me they’re going to grab their guns and fight the government. It’s likely they won’t even get that far.
January 6th involved less than 3000 people and the only reason they weren’t repelled with prejudice is because the idiot in chief ordered capital police and officials to stand down.
And for the record, the rich and powerful will absolutely just leave and nuke us from orbit. They have that ability. They don’t need to stick around.
Ok; I can see you’re locked into lazy defeatism. I won’t disturb you anymore!
I have a question. How do you organize 23.1 million people across 3,796,742 sqare miles of territory when the government just has the ability to jam communications?
What are the logistics of getting food and clean water to 340,000,000 people over that amount of territory? Whose going to do that?
How many people are stocking dry goods, know how to build and sustain a fire for heating and cooking, and own even a rudimentary generator? If you’re talking about armed rebellion there’s a lot that goes into it and when you get right down to it the government holds the keys to quite a lot of stuff.
What stops all those people who don’t oppose the government and will fight you from stymying every armed rebellion we manage to orchestrate?
You are someone who doesn’t think about the scale of what you are suggesting or the logistics. It’s nice to have the aspirations but you really gotta figure this stuff out before you suggest people get armed for something they also don’t understand the scale or logistics for.
This isn’t about defeatism. This is a reality check. If you don’t know the capabilities of your government you don’t know what you’re talking about. It’s clear to me that you don’t and you haven’t thought about this.
Movies do not teach you how long rebellions take or that it’s not about individual battles but about the ability to logistically survive to keep fighting. Your comment comes off as if you expect this to be a singular battle. It won’t be.
There are better ways to oppose a government that is acting against the population than to try direct violent force.