Saddam Hussein before he committed the unspeakable crime of nationalizing oil
Pinochet
Batista
Saudi Arabia
Pahlavi
This list is very, very far from comprehensive. One important caveat is of course that a lot of liberals do this amnesia trick where they oppose every war except the current one, and support every civil rights movement except the current one. So, in retrospect, liberals will for example always claim to have always been against Pinochet, but you bet that they supported the overthrow of Allende. Watch them cheer on the Arab Spring which installs Sisi and then after the fact call him a bad guy. Actually, probably most of them have no idea who that even is. Deeply uneducated lot.
To a tankie, conservatives are liberals. The term has two different meanings to the two different groups. You found the joke by going around the back 🤣
I’m gonna go ahead and ask you to define liberal for me and we’ll see if American Conservatives fall under the umbrella. Not your personal definition, the actual definition.
I’m not talking about an actual dictionary definition. I’m talking about how I’ve seen different groups use the term. English is descriptive, not presecriptive.
Since you have a lemmy.ml handle, please correct me if I’m wrong. I think Marxist-Leninists use the term to describe adherents to political philosophies that emphasize personal liberty over communalism - which lays the groundwork for a social order heavily influenced by market economies and thus capitalism. That aligns strongly with American conservative ideals of free-market economics and small government and deregulation.
Why conservatives align capitalism with Christian fundamentalism is a whole other discussion that we can have.
Also, I think American conservatives use “liberal” in the small-L sense, as in someone who adheres and promotes a broad view of social norms, including LGBTQ lifestyles, looser definitions of gender roles and family structures, and non-Christian faiths and creeds. (And a boogeyman that conservative news outlets paint as a threat to American ideals.)
Give me a break.
Libs support as many dictators as anybody else.
And when libs attack some “dictator”, it’s just to put their own dictator in there.
Some cases in point:
This list is very, very far from comprehensive. One important caveat is of course that a lot of liberals do this amnesia trick where they oppose every war except the current one, and support every civil rights movement except the current one. So, in retrospect, liberals will for example always claim to have always been against Pinochet, but you bet that they supported the overthrow of Allende. Watch them cheer on the Arab Spring which installs Sisi and then after the fact call him a bad guy. Actually, probably most of them have no idea who that even is. Deeply uneducated lot.
To a tankie, conservatives are liberals. The term has two different meanings to the two different groups. You found the joke by going around the back 🤣
I’m gonna go ahead and ask you to define liberal for me and we’ll see if American Conservatives fall under the umbrella. Not your personal definition, the actual definition.
Nonconfrontationally, of course, I imagine 😉
I’m not talking about an actual dictionary definition. I’m talking about how I’ve seen different groups use the term. English is descriptive, not presecriptive.
Since you have a lemmy.ml handle, please correct me if I’m wrong. I think Marxist-Leninists use the term to describe adherents to political philosophies that emphasize personal liberty over communalism - which lays the groundwork for a social order heavily influenced by market economies and thus capitalism. That aligns strongly with American conservative ideals of free-market economics and small government and deregulation.
Why conservatives align capitalism with Christian fundamentalism is a whole other discussion that we can have.
Also, I think American conservatives use “liberal” in the small-L sense, as in someone who adheres and promotes a broad view of social norms, including LGBTQ lifestyles, looser definitions of gender roles and family structures, and non-Christian faiths and creeds. (And a boogeyman that conservative news outlets paint as a threat to American ideals.)
Hey it’s one of the guys who did more to support Trump than regular conservatives. Good job guy
Right, the incredibly powerful American left wing lobby.