Dunno what you’re on about 'cause Zelenskyy ain’t the bad guy here.
Dragging your whole country into war because you desperately want to join NATO — against the will of your citizens — isn‘t bad guy behavior?
Being invaded is an odd way to intentionally enter a war.
Trying to genocide an ethnicity in a territory that borders with others of the same ethnicity is not at all an odd way to enter a war. Especially when your western sponsors have been talking EVERYWHERE about how they’re getting you combat ready to eventually use you as an attack dog against the Russians.
For someone who should be resistant to USA propaganda, you seem very eager to consume Russian’s.
Was Western media also Russian propaganda before February, 2022?
The US-backed Maidan coup and US & Ukraine-supported fascist paramilitary attacks on eastern & southern Ukraine:
- Reuters, 2014: Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU
- Leaked recording between Nuland and Pyatt: audio | transcript
- Counterpunch, 2014: US Imperialism and the Ukraine Coup
- BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
- Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
- Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
- The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
- The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
- WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
- Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
- The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
- openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
- Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
- Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
- Consortium News, 2023: The West’s Sabotage of Peace in Ukraine Former Israeli Prime Minister Bennett’s recent comments about getting his mediation efforts squashed in the early days of the war adds more to the growing pile of evidence that Western powers are intent on regime change in Russia.
- Internationalist 360°, 2022–2024: History of Fascism in Ukraine: Part I, Part II, Part III, Part IV
- NYT, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide
NATO expansion:- George Washington Univ., 2017: NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner
- Orinoco Tribune, 2022: Former German Chancellor Merkel Admits that Minsk Peace Agreements Were Part of Scheme for Ukraine to Buy Time to Prepare for War With Russia
- Al Mayadeen, 2023: Zelensky admits he never intended to implement Minsk agreements
- Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: The War in Ukraine Was Provoked—and Why That Matters to Achieve Peace
- Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: NATO Chief Admits NATO Expansion Was Key to Russian Invasion of Ukraine
NATO in general:- The Intercept, 2021: Meet NATO, the Dangerous “Defensive” Alliance Trying to Run the World
- CounterPunch, 2022: NATO is Not a Defensive Alliance
- Noam Chomsky, 2023: NATO “most violent, aggressive alliance in the world”
- Thomas Fazi, 2024: NATO: 75 years of war, unprovoked aggressions and state-sponsored terrorism
- Gabriel Rockhill, 2020: The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It
Gish gallop is a technique famously being used by Trump. Do better.
I’m not sure what’s the point you’re trying to make here. USA bad? Russia good and did nothing wrong? There’s no Russian propaganda before and after 2022? Please clarify.
It’s very nice that you learned a debating term but it would be cooler if you actually knew what it means before adding it to the thought terminating cliche toolbox.
All of these have sources. All of these are showing that there is not just evidence, but overwhelming evidence for Ukrainian aggression and US involvement in using them like they used South Vietnam and Iraq beforehand. Maybe read some instead of looking for what sort of fallacy you can miscategorize it as so you don’t have to learn anything.
Gish gallop is a technique famously being used by Trump. Do better.
Right, Trump famously researches and curates twenty years of Western journalism.
I’m not sure what’s the point you’re trying to make here.
That before February 2022, Western media wasn’t shy about Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem or the ~14,000 people killed in eastern and southern Ukraine between 2014 and 2021 by the Ukrainian military and the US & Ukrainian government-backed fascist Banderite paramilitary. That didn’t become “Russian propaganda” until 2022. But the pre-2022 Western media articles are still online.
Nobody’s galloping babe you’re just slow
Propaganda means it’s not true, amirte?
Propaganda means if the truth comes from the enemies of the state it must mean it’s now a lie.
This is not at all unreasonable 😤
The chosen head of the empire puppet gov??
Yeah im sure he’s not the bad guy here/s 🤣
