• AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    29·
    6 hours ago

    a-little-trolling We’re gonna read theory folks. We’re going to keep reading and reading. We’re going to read so much you’re going to say “please, no more. No more reading. I already agree! We should build communism! I am joining an organization!” But no! We’re gonna keep reading!

      • ジン@quokk.auEnglish
        16·
        1 hour ago

        Rather overly optimistic communist at that. Told me to study up on communist theory without ever engaging with my best points. Talks a lot, says very little.

      • Dremor@lemmy.world
        111·
        1 hour ago

        Communism by itself isn’t bad, nor is capitalism, but both assume that their proponents are immune to greed, and that their opponent are full of it.

        There are good things in both, bad things in both. The problem is to find people that are truly altruistic, and that have the moral fortitude to stay altruistic.

        Edit: y’all can downvote all you want, I’ll stand by my opinion unless someone has the honesty to argue on that.

        • pineapple@lemmy.mlEnglish
          1·
          6 minutes ago

          nor is capitalism

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        • emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works
          2·
          39 minutes ago

          Neither capitalism nor communism assume that their proponents are immune to greed. Capitalism was developed as an improvement over (European) feudalism and mercantilism. The idea is that division of labour expands the quantity and diversity of goods that can be produced. Communism is similarly supposed to be an improvement on capitalism. Here, the idea is that centralised planning can improve the distribution of the produced goods (and further improve the quantity and diversity of goods).

        • SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works
          1·
          1 hour ago

          I would argue capitalism is bad in nature, but people confuse free markets as being inherit to capitalism, which it is not.

          Capitalism at its core is about ownership, in that those with money own a thing and thus make the decisions. This results in an Oligarchy controlling the market.

          Communism in contrast is about collective ownership in that those that produce, own and make the decisions. However in practice, that ownership get usurped by “the state” which basically translates to an oligarchy through control of the market.

          This is why I like the term, free market socialism. Ownership should be held by the producers, but the state should not control the market. The role of government in the market should be limited to monopoly prevention.

          • emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works
            1·
            33 minutes ago

            The state ownership of production is deliberate, and aimed at improving efficiency and allowing forward planning. One (or a few, if you want competition) large factory is more efficient than a bunch of smaller workshops. State ownership can lead to corruption, as you pointed out, but it is a conscious choice and not happenstance.