Nazis are willing to meet men where they are.
leftist/liberals are not.
Why is it that men find Nazis more appealing, I wonder? It’s almost as if you treat people well they are more interested in hearing what you have to say…
There are definitely people on the left who revel in pushing narratives generalizing about white men as though they’re all villains. Those people are the equivalents of people on the right who push narratives generalizing about minorities as though they’re all villains. In both cases their views are harmful and destructive, and in neither case are those views correct or representative of everyone on their side of the spectrum.
But, you’re falling into the same trap of generalizing about a group from a minority of them with idiotic views. The last 15 years of social media and algos that promote the extremes have made that way too easy to do, for everybody. Moderate takes don’t pull views. Still, it’s wrong.
The binaries aren’t real. It’s not like the choices are either hate all white men or become a Nazi.
Also, not all men play combat or team sports. Lots of men’s lives are full with other activities that Nazis aren’t targeting. The Nazis just target these sports because they’ve always been spaces that are pretty permissive for the worst sides of bro culture to emerge. Regardless, real bros don’t let bros go Nazi.
deleted by creator
Can you elaborate a bit more about leftist and liberals not willing to meet men where they are?
Why is it that men find Nazis more appealing, I wonder? It’s almost as if you treat people well they are more interested in hearing what you have to say…
I don’t know about that. Isn’t it ego-stroking? If you say that they deserve things and the reason life is crappy is because of these “other” people then you create bonding over that?
liberal leftist discourse generally approaches men with the assumption they are already awful and must be reformed. especially if you are white and working-class. You are an ignorant sexist horrible person, until you have jumped through their hoops and read the relevant literature.
the white working-class guy is painted as a prototypical right-wing/nazi type, so if you have any of these traits, you are ‘guilty’ by default in the eyes of leftists. esp fediverse leftists.
ego stoking is how you get anyone to join your side. leftists blame other people for their own issues too, and stokes up their base by saying they are the only ‘good’ people.
As a white working class man leftists are great. I never have to explain myself and they accept me as I am.
I’ve never felt that I was portrayed any particular way by leftist discourse. Much of what we talk about is how to make the country better for working class Canadians. As should not be a shock, most leftist are working class, most are white. We’re largely a white working class country.
Neo Nazis approach young men who are confused and angry about their lot in life and give them simple answers. They’re not meeting them where they are, they’re flattering them by pretending the world is conspiring to destroy white men.
I spent 3 years in uni being screamed at, in my face often, about how awful I was for being white and working class guy. Glad you didn’t have that experience? But plenty of men do. But it was really hard not to become totally alienated by that. A few times I was threatened physically, because I ‘don’t look leftist’, whatever the fuck that means. I still occasionally have some nutbags approach me and scream at me about my perceived politics based on how I look.
The left needs to give people simple answers and stop pushing convoluted narratives about how how being white and male is inherently awful and oppressive and you must be ‘reformed’ of your whiteness and maleness.
More economics, less identity politics.
The left needs to give people simple answers
How is tax the rich at the same rate as everyone else difficult?
How is universal healthcare convoluted?
You seem to be confusing leftism in general with economic leftism. they aren’t the same thing.
leftists in general, esp the vocal ones here on lemmy, tend to be authoritarians. They think taxing the rich and universal health care are neoliberalism/shitlib positions and we need to ‘tear the system’ down rather than reform it as a social democracy.
I’m sorry those two things are separate how?
Your sample size and methodology is suspect. Can you share more data other than “I feel”?
Because fascism feeds into a sense of entitlement. If you listen to any of them, it’s the grievances of white men who do not want to share.
