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sanitation@lemmy.radio to Technology@lemmy.worldEnglish · 2 days ago

People Would Rather Have Nuclear Power Plants In Their Area Than AI Data Centers

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People Would Rather Have Nuclear Power Plants In Their Area Than AI Data Centers

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Nuclear Power Plants Far More Popular Than AI Data Centers For Local Areas
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A majority of Americans say they're against the local construction of data centers to power artificial intelligence.
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    I know how safe they haven’t been - so that’s something.

    do you? Nuclear, Solar, and Wind are all roughly equally safe.

    https://ourworldindata.org/safest-sources-of-energy

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      do you?

      Yeah, I do.

      Note this section:

      Transparency

      China doesn’t deliver much useful information about the incidents of its fast growing fleet of nuclear power plants. The same problem exists with Russia, after Glasnost -transparency again under Vladimir Putin.

      • 2024 Nuclear incident at Khabarovsk, Russia
      • 2022–2023 Monticello Nuclear Generating Plant leak
      • 2019 Radiation release during explosion and fire at Russian nuclear missile test site
      • 2017 Airborne radioactivity increase in Europe in autumn 2017
      • 2011 Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster
      • 2010 Mayapuri radiological accident
      • 2007 Radioactive leakage in C.N. Ascó I (Ascó - Tarragona)
      • 2004 Mihama Nuclear Power Plant accident
      • 2001 Instituto Oncologico Nacional radiotherapy accident
      • 2000 Samut Prakan radiation accident, Thailand.[3]
      • 1999 and 1997 Tokaimura nuclear accidents
      • 1996 San Juan de Dios radiotherapy accident
      • 1994 Theft of radioactive material in Tammiku, Estonia.[4]
      • 1993 Tomsk-7 accident at the Reprocessing Complex in Seversk, Russia, when a tank exploded while being cleaned with nitric acid. The explosion released a cloud of radioactive gas (INES level 4).[5]
      • 1990 Clinic of Zaragoza radiotherapy accident
      • 1987 Goiânia accident
      • 1986 Chernobyl disaster and Effects of the Chernobyl disaster
      • 1985 Explosion during refuelling of the K-431 (formerly K-31) submarine
      • 1984 Radiation accident in Morocco
      • 1982 Lost radiation source in Baku, Azerbaijan, USSR.[6]
      • 1980 Houston radiotherapy accident.[6][7]
      • 1979 Church Rock uranium mill spill
      • 1979 Three Mile Island accident and Three Mile Island accident health effects
      • 1974–1976 Columbus radiotherapy accident.[6][7]
      • 1969 Lucens reactor
      • 1968 Thule B-52 crash
      • 1966 Palomares B-52 crash
      • 1964 SNAP 9a satellite releases plutonium over the planet earth, an estimated 630 TBq or 2100 person-Sv[citation needed] of radiation was released.
      • 1962 Thor missile launch failures during nuclear weapons testing at Johnston Atoll under Operation Fishbowl
      • 1962 Radiation accident in Mexico City
      • 1961 SL-1 nuclear meltdown
      • 1961 K-19 nuclear accident
      • 1959 SRE partial nuclear meltdown at Santa Susana Field Laboratory
      • 1958 Mailuu-Suu tailings dam failure
      • 1957 Kyshtym disaster
      • 1957 Windscale fire
      • 1957 Operation Plumbbob
      • 1954 Totskoye nuclear exercise
      • 1946–1954 Bikini Atoll nuclear tests
      • Hanford Site
      • Rocky Flats Plant, see also radioactive contamination from the Rocky Flats Plant
      • Techa River
      • Pollution of Lake Karachay
      • 1945 and 1946 Demon core
      • 1942 Leipzig L-IV experiment accident
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        Nice list, but what you’ve demonstrated is that you in fact don’t understand.

        You’ve listed out just about every nuclear incident in history. And I mean every nuclear incident, not just nuclear power related. A number of the ones you’ve listed were medical accidents (patients receiving excessive doses, and one incident where a medical device being dismantled was done improperly), or accidental exposure from orphaned sources.

        The reality is that there have been no deaths from nuclear power generation in this millennium.

        Excluding Chernobyl, 90% of all radiation-exposure deaths from nuclear generation happened before 1962. If we include Chernobyl, then that jumps to 1986 (the year of Chernobyl).

        After Chernobyl, there were 5 deaths from radiation exposure, and none after 2000.

        Modern nuclear is extremely safe.

        The reason all of those incidents have their own Wikipedia pages is because incidents/accidents in a global scale are very rare, and when they do happen it’s a full-blown investigation with extensive reports. Even for a minor alert of elevated radiation readings by the nuclear facility.

        If you had bothered to read the links you posted, instead of copying and pasting from Wikipedia (or wherever you copied from) you would have understood that.

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          Nice list, but what you’ve demonstrated is that you in fact don’t understand. You’ve listed out just about every nuclear incident in history.

          YOU don’t understand these are just the ones we know about.

          If you had bothered to read the links you posted

          If you had bothered to read the post you’re supposedly responding to instead of talking shit on automatic you might have addressed that. But you didn’t. Because you have zero interest in actual discussion.

          This is the sound of me hanging up.
          *boop*

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            YOU don’t understand these are just the ones we know about.

            You know what, I actually agree.

            So the deaths attributed to solar, wind, hydro, and geothermal are just the ones we know about.

            Edit:

            If you had bothered to read the post you’re supposedly responding to instead of talking shit on automatic you might have addressed that.

            I did, I actually clicked through the majority of the links you posted (the ones I didn’t I’m already familiar with).

            The point I made was that you were just trying to gishgallop and fact spray without understanding the nuance of what you were presenting.

            Don’t be mad when you get called out.

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