Are you seriously implying that it’s a No True Scotsman fallacy to ever exclude anyone from any group? The Nazis didn’t even call themselves socdems, they called themselves socialists. That’s the same system that the PRC says it has right now; are they Nazis? Were the Soviets Nazis?
Very few arguments can be evaluated based on form alone. You have to check for external consistency. The Nazis were not socialists because they did not advocate for worker ownership over the means of production. They were not socdems because they did not advocate for universal public services. They were nationalist because they did advocate for national supremacy and closed (but expanding) borders.
They pretended to be social democrats to gain support of the mass. In practice they were not social democrats.
“not real social democratism”
Are you seriously implying that it’s a No True Scotsman fallacy to ever exclude anyone from any group? The Nazis didn’t even call themselves socdems, they called themselves socialists. That’s the same system that the PRC says it has right now; are they Nazis? Were the Soviets Nazis?
Very few arguments can be evaluated based on form alone. You have to check for external consistency. The Nazis were not socialists because they did not advocate for worker ownership over the means of production. They were not socdems because they did not advocate for universal public services. They were nationalist because they did advocate for national supremacy and closed (but expanding) borders.
they called themselves national socialists
you are an anarchist, you would definitely think the soviet union was worse than nazis and PRC is fascist.
If I call myself a giant, I don’t suddenly and magically grow to be 30’ tall. What people call themselves means nothing.
I was using that to illustrate that that line of thinking was stupid.
Anyone who says that the PRC is fascist, is by default not a tankie though
You probably think the DPRK is a democracy too. ‘It’s in the name.”
Can you describe how they were if that’s your proposition?
Because no, they weren’t social democrats in any meaningful way and even a basic understanding of their economic policy would tell you that.